[Noisebridge-discuss] A potential space - the No Starch Press building (and how we can handle voting)

[Heather Lynch]

Wow, just wow.

"The person who is relentlessly making personal attacks out of nowhere
against another person should be told that it's inappropriate and they
should stop doing it."

Ok I'll do it. Marc, shut the hell up.

I don't know the details of the situation described. I don't know
either of you personally. However, I have heard rumors about Marc: his
actions, and his internet drama-mongering. Not that I could cite
details, but over the years I've heard enough grumblings that I was
immediately wary of his involvement with this project. Sure, they may
just be rumors, but so far, Marc, you've done nothing but support
them. I've never seen someone so openly air their personal garbage in
a previously quite civil forum and frankly it's ugly as hell. I just
hope that this nascent group can recover from such a nasty blow, and
regain a sense of enthusiasm that's vital for getting something like
this off the ground.

Heather

On Jan 17, 2008 1:01 PM, ryan <ryan at linefeed.org> wrote:
> >  You do have an opportunity to address what was said. It could have just
> > been said privately, behind your back. I think it is good that it is out in
> > the open.
>
> Al, I have already addressed what was said. To recap, what Marc says
> isn't true. I work on a daily basis as a core organizer with IMC's in
> Istanbul, Buenos Aires, Sao Paulo, Santiago de Chile, Rosario
> (Argentina), Berlin, Puerto Rico, Bogota, South Africa, Houston, Lima,
> Rome, Milan, West Vlaanderen, Rio de Janeiro, of course, San
> Francisco (this list keeps going) as well as a number of projects that
> are critical to core Indymedia infrastructure. Because of my
> extensive involvement and Marc's limited (if any) involvement in
> Indymedia, he doesn't make these attacks in Indymedia and instead
> brings them to forums like this.
>
> What I'm saying is well-documented and transparent and available for
> anyone who wants to look into it. What more 'evidence' could anyone
> here within noisebridge possibly ask for from me? It's absurd that
> noisebridge be formally asked not to trust me because of something
> within Indymedia, while Indymedia trusts me on a daily basis to
> handle root access, money and administration of all of the above.
> This is why I rely on people's common sense to deal with a situation
> like this. I've already said all this one time, in another e-mail.
>
> Marc's motivation is to embarrass and humiliate and intimidate me in
> front of a group of people who I don't know and am trying to form
> working relationships with. I think that should be obvious to anyone
> and all the evidence available to noisebridge people affirms what I'm
> saying.
>
> > So what do you suggest? We have an accusation of abuse of privileges in the
> > past. You didn't really address that and this isn't some sort of star
> > chamber where you are required to do so. That being true, it has still been
>
> The way a disruptor like this would be handled by other organizations
> I participate in is what I have already said. The person who is
> relentlessly making personal attacks out of nowhere against another
> person should be told that it's inappropriate and they should stop
> doing it.
>
> Once the group has enough traction to have a decision-making process
> and actually has to deal with issues like signing documents or
> putting in money, then this matter could be dealt with fairly and
> within the group's agreed-upon process.
>
> Until then, Marc is intentionally putting everyone in an awkward and
> horrible position. Again, I think this is obvious to anyone and he
> should stop it.
>
> Furthermore, since this level of acrimony was brought into this group
> solely by Marc, having meetings at his house seem inappropriate. I
> certainly wouldn't feel comfortable going there after being publicly
> attacked like this and I think that's understandable.
>
> Finally, I think that going on about this on the mailing list or irc
> isn't productive and is certainly wasting my time. Internet flamewars
> like this are something I gave up a long time ago.
>
> > doesn't qualify or help that process. Nor does having your girlfriend do a
> > virtual stamping of the feet about how wronged you are.
>
> Toya and I are married, she's not "my girlfriend" nor do I "have her
> do" anything -- she's an individual unto herself and does what she
> wants and says what she thinks.
>
> -ryan
>
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