[Noisebridge-discuss] Help sorting out the networking situation at 83C Wiese

[Rachel McConnell]

Here is my current thinking on this subject:

1. we don't have a consensus on what our network wiring needs are (or if 
we do, we don't know it yet)

2. we do have the expertise in-house to both a) evaluate and b) run new 
wiring

3. we need to sign the lease tomorrow

4. even if we could get 2.a) done tomorrow, which is looking difficult, 
we probably can't determine for sure about 1.

THEREFORE I propose this instead.

We negotiate the following with the landlord, as an addendum to the lease:

(Ideal version) We undertake at our own expense to do the wiring 
evaluation, and if the wiring is not up to X standard, we have the 
option to replace it and deduct from the rent, a reasonable cost Y.

(fallback to) We will do this evaluation within the first month, 
otherwise we forfeit the right to deduct from the rent.

(absolute minimum) We will do this evaluation at any time and bear any 
costs of replacement ourselves, but we must be permitted to do the work.

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Needs to be written up a bit better of course (I'll work on this) and we 
should define standard X and cost Y.  My thinking for cost Y is that we 
should set an hourly rate and a top number of hours based on what a 
skilled technician doing the work would charge.

Neha, David, anyone, can you suggest wording for standard X, and a usual 
rate & hourly range for a skilled technician doing the work?

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I don't feel the need to negotiate too hard for the Ideal or even the 
fallback version since I can't imagine the cost of new cabling will be 
high enough to be worth souring our relationship with the landlord over. 
  But I do feel strongly about the option to do the work if we decide 
it's necessary.

Since we're a bit time-crunched on this, I'm gonna call SILENCE=ASSENT. 
  No need to respond unless you have improvements to make.

Rachel

shellfiche wrote:
> I've got a TVR 10/100 and a tone generator w/ remote probe. I'd be happy 
> to test, verify and evaluate cabling, but I can't do Mon. If someone has 
> the spare cycles, I'd be happy to lend equipment. I work in the city and 
> I can hand off in the afternoon on Mon.
> 
> Cell: 510.468.5075
> 
> Neha
> 
> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 11:55 PM, davidfine <d at vidfine.com 
> <mailto:d at vidfine.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Well, i've got a cable tester. If we're only running 100mbit
>     whatever old wiring will probably be fine. Even Cat III is generally
>     okay over that kind of distance. If you want to do gigabit, the
>     existing wiring is probably not fine. Just an initial assessment.
>     --D
> 
> 
>     Rachel McConnell wrote:
> 
>         Someone on the list, probably many someones, knows how to
>         evaluate network cabling (is it cat5, is it all functional, is
>         the patch panel / breakout board adequate & functional, anything
>         else I as a non-expert haven't thought of).  We need to know if
>         the existing cables are sufficient to our purposes prior to
>         signing the lease, so we know what kind of addendum to add.
> 
>         Does anyone with this ability have time and energy to come to
>         the space sometime on Monday and do this work?  I believe I
>         recall there being 11 drops around the place, and one patch
>         panel.  Don't yet know what time Monday.  Surely it can't take
>         more than an hour or so...
> 
>         If you have the time, ability & equipment, speak up!
> 
>         Rachel
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