[Noisebridge-discuss] Re: Club Mate shipment

[Jeffrey Malone]

I'm rather interested in all this myself, and would love to see it go down...
So, to confirm the totals, if 11200 bottles were purchased, it would
cost an estimated €5936 ($7876) and then an estimated $2900 to ship,
plus cost of getting it from the bottler to the shipping docks in
Bremerhaven.
Not including the truck to the docks, that'd be just shy of $1/bottle ($0.96).

So I have two questions...

First, I notice on the pricing of the actual bottles that a bottle
deposit is being charged.  As the bottles are explicitly for export
outside of Germany, is that really required? (€1680 bottle deposit for
11200 bottles is quite a surcharge!)
Furthermore, does that price include VAT -- which I am quite sure
should be waved for the export out of the EU...

Secondly, who is fronting the money for this?  I'm sure you could
charge $2 a bottle to people out here without them being at all upset
(hell, a ~.5l bottle of coke at the liquor store costs that much
almost), so it's undoubtedly a safe investment, but I'm curious if
you're asking for people to step up and help out, or if you've got the
financial backing and just want to keep us informed.


Jeffrey

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 5:29 AM, Ralf-Philipp Weinmann
<crypto.rpw at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi David, dear Noisebridgers,
>
> a) there are two types of ISO 668 freight containers: the so-called
> TEU (twenty feet equivalent unit) and the FEU (forty feet equivalent
> unit) variant. The TEU variant measures 20ft x 8ft x 8.5ft (L x W x H)
> and may load up to 21.75 tons, the FEU variant is twice as long and
> may load up to 26.7 tons. A problem is that the container height is
> not standardized, sometimes it can be as low as 1.3m, the maximum is
> 2.6m.
>
> b) one bottle of Club Mate (there are two variants, the 0.5l bottle
> and the 0.33l bottle, I'll be assuming the larger variant for the
> moment) weighs approximately 904 grams. Thus far I was not able to
> convince Loscher to fill the Mate into lighter PET bottles.
>
> c) I have not actually seen the pallets, but the dimension of a pallet
> should be approximately the same as for a crate of Club Mate. This is
> 40cm x 30cm x 30cm.
>
> c) Let's assume an overhead of 25kg per pallet.
>
> Assuming the above, we are more constrained by volume than by the
> weight if the container is half-height and the other way round if we
> have 2.6m height in the container. We can pack 14-16 pallets per TEU
> if we assume half-height and at most 28 if it is full height (because
> of weight). This also means that going FEU is pointless.
>
> Hence a TEU will fit at least 11200 bottles but may hold up to 22400
> if we're lucky. I reckon 11k bottles should be more than enough for
> the first run, though. Assuming the fixed cost of USD 2900 we're
> getting a fixed-cost transportation overhead of USD 0.29 per bottle if
> we fill the container with 14 pallets.
>
> Thoughts, orders?
>
> Cheers,
> RPW
>
> --
> Ralf-Philipp Weinmann
> CryptoLUX / Laboratory of Algorithmics and Computer Security, FSTC
> University of Luxembourg
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