[Noisebridge-discuss] Re: Club Mate shipment

Thu Apr 30 07:28:25 UTC 2009

a preface, I've spent several months working in various distribution
warehouses in Denmark. Though I'm no expert by any means,  I have
dealt with receiving/unloading/loading domestic/international
container shipments.

Some info on pallets:
A standard Euro Pallet is 800x1200mm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pallet#European_pallets

And shipping containers:
a 20 foot container "TEU" fits about 11 standard europallets
a 40 foot container "FEU" fits about 23-24 ----||------
http://www.oocl.com/eng/ourservices/containers/stuffingplan.htm

It would be good to know if these are full height pallets, or half
height. I'm assuming full height. Sometime dense/unstable things, like
bottles of liquid, are palletized at half height. This makes the
warehouse operation less prone to *accidents.*  These can sometimes be
double stacked once loaded into the container. See toppled full height
pallet of shot glasses that I had to clean(not fun, not my fault) up
last summer:
http://joachimp.fotki.com/aboutme/phoneimages/20080703001.html
http://joachimp.fotki.com/aboutme/phoneimages/20080703.html
http://joachimp.fotki.com/aboutme/phoneimages/20080703002.html

I figure at 20 bottles per carton * 40 cartons per pallet is 800
bottles of CM per pallet.
And which gives 8,800 bottles per TEU, or 18,400-19,200FEU. Double
that if the pallets can be double stacked(ie. if they are half
height). As said before, weight shouldn't be an issue

Anyways, I'm getting at, is a conservative estimate of shipping per
bottle is more like 33cents. And we most definately don't want to get
more than will fit in the container.

Oh, and if we really want to get this in time for Toorcamp we should
get moving on this ASAP
 http://www.searates.com/container/transit/
*Estimates* 26 days on the high seas for Hamburg to Oakland with Hamburg SUD.

-Joachim
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On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:54, Jeffrey Malone <ieatlint at tehinterweb.com> wrote:
> I'm rather interested in all this myself, and would love to see it go down...
> So, to confirm the totals, if 11200 bottles were purchased, it would
> cost an estimated €5936 ($7876) and then an estimated $2900 to ship,
> plus cost of getting it from the bottler to the shipping docks in
> Bremerhaven.
> Not including the truck to the docks, that'd be just shy of $1/bottle ($0.96).
>
> So I have two questions...
>
> First, I notice on the pricing of the actual bottles that a bottle
> deposit is being charged.  As the bottles are explicitly for export
> outside of Germany, is that really required? (€1680 bottle deposit for
> 11200 bottles is quite a surcharge!)
> Furthermore, does that price include VAT -- which I am quite sure
> should be waved for the export out of the EU...
>
> Secondly, who is fronting the money for this?  I'm sure you could
> charge $2 a bottle to people out here without them being at all upset
> (hell, a ~.5l bottle of coke at the liquor store costs that much
> almost), so it's undoubtedly a safe investment, but I'm curious if
> you're asking for people to step up and help out, or if you've got the
> financial backing and just want to keep us informed.
>
>
> Jeffrey
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 5:29 AM, Ralf-Philipp Weinmann
> <crypto.rpw at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi David, dear Noisebridgers,
>>
>> a) there are two types of ISO 668 freight containers: the so-called
>> TEU (twenty feet equivalent unit) and the FEU (forty feet equivalent
>> unit) variant. The TEU variant measures 20ft x 8ft x 8.5ft (L x W x H)
>> and may load up to 21.75 tons, the FEU variant is twice as long and
>> may load up to 26.7 tons. A problem is that the container height is
>> not standardized, sometimes it can be as low as 1.3m, the maximum is
>> 2.6m.
>>
>> b) one bottle of Club Mate (there are two variants, the 0.5l bottle
>> and the 0.33l bottle, I'll be assuming the larger variant for the
>> moment) weighs approximately 904 grams. Thus far I was not able to
>> convince Loscher to fill the Mate into lighter PET bottles.
>>
>> c) I have not actually seen the pallets, but the dimension of a pallet
>> should be approximately the same as for a crate of Club Mate. This is
>> 40cm x 30cm x 30cm.
>>
>> c) Let's assume an overhead of 25kg per pallet.
>>
>> Assuming the above, we are more constrained by volume than by the
>> weight if the container is half-height and the other way round if we
>> have 2.6m height in the container. We can pack 14-16 pallets per TEU
>> if we assume half-height and at most 28 if it is full height (because
>> of weight). This also means that going FEU is pointless.
>>
>> Hence a TEU will fit at least 11200 bottles but may hold up to 22400
>> if we're lucky. I reckon 11k bottles should be more than enough for
>> the first run, though. Assuming the fixed cost of USD 2900 we're
>> getting a fixed-cost transportation overhead of USD 0.29 per bottle if
>> we fill the container with 14 pallets.
>>
>> Thoughts, orders?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> RPW
>>
>> --
>> Ralf-Philipp Weinmann
>> CryptoLUX / Laboratory of Algorithmics and Computer Security, FSTC
>> University of Luxembourg
>> phone: +352-466645654
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