[Noisebridge-discuss] 224 12th

[Don French]

It sounds better in a lot of ways but I think that people were so anxious to
move that they jumped on the other space and became psychologically
committed to it to the degree that they didn't even want to look at any
other space, even if it might be better and at the same price per sq ft.  I
also have the feeling that the DJ booth was the clincher for a lot of
people.  BTW, Does the 12th street place have hot water?

-- Don

p.s. I am cc'ing the list because I meant to reply to the list last time.



On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Geoff Schmidt <geoff at geoffschmidt.com>wrote:

> In my limited experience yes. I haven't looked at the numbers. Also, here's
> what Christie said earlier on the list:
>
> I'd definitely be on top of this if something falls through with the space
> we're looking at tonight.  It's literally around the corner from my
> apartment.  It's obviously not as appealing ft^2-wise, which would concern
> me a little, as different interests are already carving up that space pretty
> thoroughly.
>
> It also has some of the same drawbacks (non-ADA freight elevator), although
> the concrete floors are nice.  I can say definitively it's a good
> neighborhood, although on Thurs-Sat nights it gets a little loud due to the
> night clubs, but it's far enough away that it's just competing for parking.
> Parking in the area is better too, although coming in during midday or at
> late night can be pretty competitive.
>
>
> geoff
>
> On Jul 17, 2009, at 12:22 PM, Don French wrote:
>
> Is the neighborhood any safer around 224 12th?
>
> -- Don
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Geoff Schmidt <geoff at geoffschmidt.com>wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, some members asked me to set up a showing of 224 12th,
>> the .65/ft office-ish space in soma. I tried to get something together
>> for Thursday but there were problems coordinating with TRI, the
>> landlord's broker. So it'll probably be Monday or Tuesday of next
>> week, circa 7pm. If you want to see the space and can't make it, reply
>> offlist with your constraints.
>>
>> To set expectations, 224 12th should be in better shape (walls go to
>> the ceiling, floors in decent condition, etc) but I suspect it'll feel
>> like midlist office space instead of a blank h4x0r canvas. It's also a
>> bit smaller, 80% of the size. On the other hand, the buildout
>> contemplated at 2169 Mission is easily $50k+ if done in any way
>> approaching legal[*], and lots of time. If 224 12th is already divided
>> in an acceptable way it might be worth considering.
>>
>> To be clear: I am setting this up because I was asked to do so. I'm
>> not a member and am not advocating for any direction by the group; I
>> just want to make what/who I know available to such Noisebridgers as
>> may want it.
>>
>> geoff
>>
>> [*] Some notes here: If you build stuff without permits, the fine is 9
>> (IIRC) times what the permit fee would have been, often reduced to 3
>> times the permit fee on appeal. The permit fee's a few thousand
>> dollars, but that's not the bad part. The bad part is that the city
>> can make you tear everything out and rebuild it, so that they can
>> inspect the interiors of the walls before the drywall goes on and such
>> things. When work is done with permits, it needs to be done by
>> licensed, insured, bonded contractors, with a few exceptions, and must
>> be to code. It is not feasible for amateurs to get licenses, but we
>> have friends with licenses. Clearly work is done all the time without
>> permits, but it is a risk in a space open to the public for events.
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