[Noisebridge-discuss] 224 12th

[Christie Dudley]

I'd like to see this myself.  I am not sure I can get back to the city
in time to see it, but I'd like to if I can.

I do think it's useful for the people showing us to know that we're
already in negotiations for a different space.  Right now, the
momentum has built and membership is largely set on the other space.
It worries me that something could easily happen with it, such as the
fire marshal declaring it unsafe, that would prevent us from moving in
there.  I also think that it gives us leverage for negotiation if we
have the ability to walk out on them without seriously losing out.
It's great to have a backup plan.

I do worry that if we push too hard for a space that's not the one we
have already discussed, we'll become divided and unable to make a
decision.  I think this is something most members also fear.  I
suspect the only reason we didn't get the "shiny happy gulag" space is
that we had 2 competing spaces that each had advantages and we
couldn't come to a consensus on one over the other.  By focusing on
one space at a time, it's much easier to get a "yea" decision for one.

That being said, I don't agree with aestetix's assessment of the
situation.  But we're all entitled to our own opinions.  I do wish you
hadn't resigned your membership, as I consider you to be a valuable
contributor, but I understand the need to stay true to ones self.

Christie

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On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Geoff Schmidt<geoff at geoffschmidt.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, some members asked me to set up a showing of 224 12th,
> the .65/ft office-ish space in soma. I tried to get something together
> for Thursday but there were problems coordinating with TRI, the
> landlord's broker. So it'll probably be Monday or Tuesday of next
> week, circa 7pm. If you want to see the space and can't make it, reply
> offlist with your constraints.
>
> To set expectations, 224 12th should be in better shape (walls go to
> the ceiling, floors in decent condition, etc) but I suspect it'll feel
> like midlist office space instead of a blank h4x0r canvas. It's also a
> bit smaller, 80% of the size. On the other hand, the buildout
> contemplated at 2169 Mission is easily $50k+ if done in any way
> approaching legal[*], and lots of time. If 224 12th is already divided
> in an acceptable way it might be worth considering.
>
> To be clear: I am setting this up because I was asked to do so. I'm
> not a member and am not advocating for any direction by the group; I
> just want to make what/who I know available to such Noisebridgers as
> may want it.
>
> geoff
>
> [*] Some notes here: If you build stuff without permits, the fine is 9
> (IIRC) times what the permit fee would have been, often reduced to 3
> times the permit fee on appeal. The permit fee's a few thousand
> dollars, but that's not the bad part. The bad part is that the city
> can make you tear everything out and rebuild it, so that they can
> inspect the interiors of the walls before the drywall goes on and such
> things. When work is done with permits, it needs to be done by
> licensed, insured, bonded contractors, with a few exceptions, and must
> be to code. It is not feasible for amateurs to get licenses, but we
> have friends with licenses. Clearly work is done all the time without
> permits, but it is a risk in a space open to the public for events.
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