[Noisebridge-discuss] 224 12th

aestetix aestetix aestetix at gmail.com
Fri Jul 17 21:43:22 UTC 2009


While I do have some opinions on this (and other issues), I'm more
interested in the best outcome for the group, and what the consensus
decides.

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Christie Dudley <longobord at gmail.com>wrote:

> That being said, I don't agree with aestetix's assessment of the
> situation.  But we're all entitled to our own opinions.  I do wish you
> hadn't resigned your membership, as I consider you to be a valuable
> contributor, but I understand the need to stay true to ones self.
>
> Christie
>
> ---
>  Disrupting paradigms since 1967
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Geoff Schmidt<geoff at geoffschmidt.com>
> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, some members asked me to set up a showing of 224 12th,
> > the .65/ft office-ish space in soma. I tried to get something together
> > for Thursday but there were problems coordinating with TRI, the
> > landlord's broker. So it'll probably be Monday or Tuesday of next
> > week, circa 7pm. If you want to see the space and can't make it, reply
> > offlist with your constraints.
> >
> > To set expectations, 224 12th should be in better shape (walls go to
> > the ceiling, floors in decent condition, etc) but I suspect it'll feel
> > like midlist office space instead of a blank h4x0r canvas. It's also a
> > bit smaller, 80% of the size. On the other hand, the buildout
> > contemplated at 2169 Mission is easily $50k+ if done in any way
> > approaching legal[*], and lots of time. If 224 12th is already divided
> > in an acceptable way it might be worth considering.
> >
> > To be clear: I am setting this up because I was asked to do so. I'm
> > not a member and am not advocating for any direction by the group; I
> > just want to make what/who I know available to such Noisebridgers as
> > may want it.
> >
> > geoff
> >
> > [*] Some notes here: If you build stuff without permits, the fine is 9
> > (IIRC) times what the permit fee would have been, often reduced to 3
> > times the permit fee on appeal. The permit fee's a few thousand
> > dollars, but that's not the bad part. The bad part is that the city
> > can make you tear everything out and rebuild it, so that they can
> > inspect the interiors of the walls before the drywall goes on and such
> > things. When work is done with permits, it needs to be done by
> > licensed, insured, bonded contractors, with a few exceptions, and must
> > be to code. It is not feasible for amateurs to get licenses, but we
> > have friends with licenses. Clearly work is done all the time without
> > permits, but it is a risk in a space open to the public for events.
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