[Noisebridge-discuss] So disappointing...

Fri Mar 6 06:08:26 UTC 2009

An even lower tech idea:
Offer an "unlimited drinks" plan to members for an extra $20 on top of
membership costs. This way, if someone consumes a ton of drinks, people
bitch at them AND we get their money. I don't really think it's necessary to
consider payment for every individual drink, when we can just charge for
them in batch.

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:52 AM, Shannon Clark <shannon.clark at gmail.com>wrote:

> A low tech idea:
>
> Sell punch cards for say $10
> (price everything perhaps in $1 increments)
>
> Then have a punch for people to mark off when they take a drink.
>
> The advantages:
>
> - money up front/in advance, probably directly to Mitch at meetings
>
> - still honor system and easy enough for people to buy each other drinks
>
> - a punch probably can be found (or hacked) to make a noticable noise when
> used
>
> Disadvantages:
>
> - still probably need to take cash for people who are just stopping by
>
> - asks people for a larger purchase ($10 vs $1 ten times)
>
> Anyway a low tech idea.
>
> Shannon
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 5, 2009, at 12:41 AM, Christie Dudley <longobord at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Oh!  I like the barcode idea.  And the sound.  We were talking about having
> some sort of RFID system or something, but since folks have been talking
> about barcodes already, I think there might be some motivation in that
> direction.  (I maintain that I'm lazy, but Andy points out that people are
> notoriously bad at keeping track.)  An advantage of using a bar code reader
> is we could use codes already on the cans and bottles.
>
> I'll see what I can do about making a more visible sign.  I confess even I
> have trouble reading it sometimes down there.
>
> Interesting point about the cash theft.  I guess that thought didn't even
> cross my mind.  It's pretty appalling to think that someone would steal
> everyone's money directly, but I guess it could happen.  But at least until
> we can come up with an excessively technical solution to a simple problem,
> then I'd like to have plenty of cash on hand.  $50 in 1's is a little
> excessive though.
>
> And when is sticking LEDs on something that can be programmed via the web
> not fun?  Oh, wait, that would require a...  I'll just avoid that, um,
> discussion right now.  hmmm... what about twitter?  If Michael Shiloh can
> come up with a twitter to Morse code python plugin, we could come up with
> something for LEDs I'm sure.
>
> Christie
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Paul Böhm < <paul at boehm.org>
> paul at boehm.org> wrote:
>
>> things that have helped drink payment morale at metalab:
>>
>> 1) making prices MORE visible (having the list on the refrigerator
>> where you have to kneel to read them is not good enough),
>> 2) having payment make a noise (so if someone gets a drink, you know
>> you should have heard a noise before they come back to the
>> table/couch, or you can politely remind them)
>> 3) putting up a picture of an eye saying smtn along the lines of
>> "Protip: stealing from friends is not cool.' (see
>>  <http://fridge.metalab.at/>http://fridge.metalab.at/)
>> 4) putting up a container and getting a few people to be responsible
>> for emptying the cash into that container when too much accumulates.
>> only the treasurer should be able to empty that central container.
>> reason: though less likely (if people are cool - and we are
>> excellent), cash theft is worse than people not paying for drinks.
>> 5) putting LEDs on the fridge that can be programmed via the web
>> (well, that didn't really help, but it was fun - again see
>>  <http://fridge.metalab.at/>http://fridge.metalab.at/)
>>
>> that said, having the money around isn't a longterm solution we've
>> noticed. current metalab consensus is to go with prepaid barcode cards
>> or something along these lines and play a oneup supermario sound
>> whenever someone pays. the implementation is like 95% done - i don't
>> know why this never got finished. if someone wants to play with it, i
>> can summon the code (very pretty web interface with supermario gfx and
>> stuff - just needs a database backend).
>>
>> enki
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Christie Dudley < <longobord at gmail.com>
>> longobord at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I did an accounting of the monies taken in thus far for the drinks we
>> > restocked.  As anticipated, the new drink selection is pretty popular.
>> > Restock was Friday evening, and with what's missing, we should have
>> taken in
>> > well over $100.
>> >
>> > We didn't.  We only took in about 3/4 of what we should have, just for
>> > what's missing, not counting the stuff that was leftover from before the
>> > restock (which is gone too).
>> >
>> > Now, I hate haranguing people about this, but I find it really
>> depressing
>> > that with all this attention I've been bringing that this is the best we
>> can
>> > do.  I have to ask:  Is there any reason why people aren't paying?  Are
>> the
>> > prices not clear?  Do you find the prices too high?  Do you think
>> there's
>> > something wrong with the system?
>> >
>> > If you have issues, by all means bring them up.  Even if you have just
>> heard
>> > reasons people have given for not paying, it'd be good to get them on
>> the
>> > table so we can get them resolved.  Please don't depend on your friends
>> to
>> > buy for you when they believe they're supporting Noisebridge instead.
>> >
>> > Christie
>> >
>> > --
>> > Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err.
>> > ~ Mohandas K. (Mahatma) Gandhi
>> >
>> > If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what
>> > they do not want to hear.
>> > ~ George Orwell
>> >
>> > Freedom is the will to be responsible to ourselves.
>> > ~ Friedrich Nietzsche
>> >
>> >
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