[Noisebridge-discuss] Another DIYbio thread!

[Praveen Sinha]

Just as a followup, and I'll make some more cross posts over the diy
bio lists here soon, I think the real problem is that we are
collaborating as 2 separate groups too few chokepoints of
communication, when we all need to realize that we are part of the
same effort.

That is to say, everyone who is invovled in NB at diybio has to
realize that they are a stakeholder in NB as well (tito, marnia,
looking at you ;-), at NB in DIY Bio as well and that we are all one
family :)   I'll be pressing this point in the diybio-sf group soon.

Cheers and thanks for your ears...

On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for your input Josh -- I've been talking to the people at DIY
> Bio, and here's the story:
>
> 1) I was out of town this weekend, but had talked with and got a
> consensus about diy bio experiment (some of whom are slated to become
> nb members), that followed the safety protocols here:
>    https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Noisebridge_Lab_Safety_and_Ethics_Page
>
> 2) It seems that there was a mixup in communication somehow and we
> have a refridgerator that was being used for the experiment sitting at
> noisebridge.  How this happened, I'm not quite sure, but I'm probing
> around right now to see when we can get it out of there (I haven't
> been to the space yet, is it obstructing things?) .
>
> 3) DIY Bio has potentially found a lab space in the north bay which
> will make some of these issues moot, but it looks like a discussion is
> long overdue for some of this stuff so hope to see you all there
> tomorrow
>
> 4) I think that there have been a minority of people involved that may
> be being a bit not so respecting of the noisebridge space
> (unintentionally), and I will have a nice friendly talk with everyone
> involved about the be excellent vibes to everyone at diybio....
>
> 5) overall, I think there are /communication/ issues involved, and in
> the future I will definately be making sure that anyone who starts
> working at noisebridge is really familiar with the ethics of
> noisebridge and has read the wiki.
>
> Cheers,
> Praveen
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Josh Myer <josh at joshisanerd.com> wrote:
>> My dearest Noisebridge,
>>
>> DIYbio hasn't been the most ideal collaborator, I know.  I understand
>> that this is frustrating and generally Not Excellent, but other people
>> have brought that up, and the discussion can go on in that thread.
>> For now, let's talk about you and your feelings.
>>
>> I'd like you to think about how you feel about DIYbio.  We'll
>> definitely be discussing the DIYbio thing at an upcoming Tuesday
>> meeting, and the people who use 83c should be prepared to ensure their
>> positions are represented.  This includes both members and
>> non-members, since safety is a universal concern.  Non-members can't
>> block, but they are encouraged to discuss, and might find members who
>> will proxy for them.
>>
>> The critical question to ask yourself: Am I comfortable sharing my
>> space with DIYbio?  If you answer "yes, with no provisions," I worry,
>> but, great!  You're done, and can stop reading this thread.
>> Personally, I need more detail.  To wit, here are the questions I've
>> been asking myself:
>>
>> Am I comfortable with:
>> 1. what DIYbio wants to store here?
>> 2. how DIYbio is going to store it?
>> 3. what DIYbio is doing with these things?
>> 4. how DIYbio is going about these things (esp. cleanup)?
>> 5. that DIYbio will follow the processes/protocols governing "how"?
>>
>> If I am comfortable with these criteria, I should be comfortable with
>> DIYbio sharing the space.  (Am I missing anything from my list?)
>>
>> For the DIYbio people: please think about how you'd inform
>> Noisebridgers about each of these areas, and how to assuage any
>> concerns they may raise.
>>
>> This kind of breakdown will let us focus our discussions, and, more
>> importantly, allow us to make iterative progress towards mutual
>> understanding.  For instance, once everyone is comfortable with #1, we
>> don't need to talk about the samples again (until they change).
>> --
>> Josh Myer   650.248.3796
>>  josh at joshisanerd.com
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