[Noisebridge-discuss] Space Viewing Report: 2101 Mission Street at 17th Street, #204
Shannon Lee
shannon at scatter.com
Tue May 5 00:57:26 UTC 2009
I'm an inch taller than Andy and I never felt claustrophobic or as though I
were going to whang my head. You can see a picture of me on my toes with
lots of clearance over my head in the photos. The lights hanging down into
the space added a lot to the feeling of the ceiling being very low; without
them, it would be much improved. That said, low ceilings are not something
that tends to bother me.
I do agree that we should look at more spaces before we decide on anything.
--S
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Andy Isaacson <adi at hexapodia.org> wrote:
> On Sat, May 02, 2009 at 02:29:07PM -0700, d p chang wrote:
> > Shannon Lee <shannon at scatter.com> writes:
> > > Add: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/off/1148249383.html
> > > Pics: http://www.flickr.com/photos/milohholim
> > > Hi Noisebridge,Yesterday, Miloh, Andy and I went to look at the space
> > > advertised in http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/off/1148249383.html
> [snip]
> > > The huge drawback is that the ceilings are low, 8 foot, and the
> > > "rafters" are even lower.?? Although the owner said he was going to
> > > pull them out, at the time we viewed it there were long, long, cheap
> > > light fixtures throughout the space add to the "cave" effect.?? Miloh
> > > and I both felt like this was nonetheless workable, but Andy was less
> > > thrilled.
> >
> > is andy's 'reservation' (my word for 'less thrilled') due to the
> > low ceilings or something else?
>
> The space is an enormous amount of floor space. Really, really big, for
> a pretty low $/sqft cost.
>
> The ceiling is low. Really, really, low. There are multiple spots
> where I could hit my head just walking around (6' and a bit of
> clearance, so if I have any bounce in my step...) The floor is wooden
> and creaky, and you can fairly easily hear noise from downstairs and
> somewhat from upstairs.
>
> The landlord (physical plant guy) assured us "oh yes, the building is
> signed off for seismic" in response to Miloh's question; he started to
> assure us that it had been retrofitted and then said it was "signed
> off". I don't know what that means, but there's no sign of reinforcing
> I-beams or screw plates (it's a ferroconcrete frame with brick walls, so
> my layman's understanding is that it's not seismicly sound without
> reinforcement). Maybe they did a really nice cosmetic job on the
> retrofit, or maybe the upgrade consisted primarily of a BMW upgrade for
> the city engineer who signed off on the project, I don't know.
>
> The other units in the building do not have the same issues this one
> does -- in particular, this is the only floor with the height problem
> (it's a mezzanine floor, probably a retrofit.)
>
> If it weren't for the height problem I could probably buy into this
> space, warts and all. But I just can't see Noisebridge being happy with
> these ceilings. AFAIK this is the first space anyone's looked at -- I
> think we need to move on and see more of the market.
>
> As far as the lease at 83C goes -- if Noisebridge finds another space
> and moves out before our year is up at 83C, I am confident that an
> accomodation can be reached to satisfy all parties. Please talk to me
> in person if you'd like details. So, this shouldn't be a blocking
> factor in our space search.
>
> Also, I need to get in touch with our upstairs neighbors and see what
> their status is -- if they'd like to move out, seems we'd have a
> no-brainer on our hands.
>
> -andy
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Shannon Lee
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