[Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge-discuss Digest, Vol 25, Issue 22

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Today's Topics:

   1. We have a Blog, anyone want to post about neat shit
      built/happening at Noisebridge? (Rubin Abdi)
   2. Stickers? (Rubin Abdi)
   3. Re: Gifts for Pumping Station: One? (Jonathan Foote)
   4. Re: Unattended sharps in drawe (Kelly)
   5. Re: Stickers? (Mitch Altman)
   6. On Removal of a car boot (alexhandy)
   7. Re: On Removal of a car boot (nils at shkoo.com)
   8. Re: On Removal of a car boot (Sai Emrys)
   9. Re: On Removal of a car boot (Sai Emrys)
  10. Re: On Removal of a car boot (Mark Cohen)
  11. Re: On Removal of a car boot (Brian Molnar)
  12. Re: On Removal of a car boot (Sai Emrys)
  13. Re: Gifts for Pumping Station: One? (Christie Dudley)
  14. Re: Hamcram this weekend (Christie Dudley)

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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:14:29 -0800
From: Rubin Abdi <rubin at starset.net>
Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] We have a Blog, anyone want to post
	about neat shit built/happening at Noisebridge?
To: Noisebridge Discussion List
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http://blog.noisebridge.net

Currently it mostly contains posts/photos from my blog and a thing about 
Orion's skullie throwies.

Do you do cool stuff at Noisebridge, you're welcome to post about it!

Two ways to post:

1. Post directly to the blgo with an account.
2. Syndicate a filtered Noisebridge feed from your current blog.

If you would like to just have an account and create posts exclusivly 
for the blog, please reply directly back to me with what email and 
username you'd like to use.

If you already have a blog that will contain posts about Noisebridge, 
send me a URL to an RSS feed that has posts filtered about Noisebridge 
to me, and a username you want them posted as.

-- 
Rubin Abdi
rubin at starset.net

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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:45:15 -0800
From: Rubin Abdi <rubin at starset.net>
Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Stickers?
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Anyone seen them? I wanted to hand out a bunch last night at the 1 bit 
music thing as there were a lot (more the normal) of people new to the 
space and very interested in coming back, wanted to see a list of 
classes in the space.

-- 
Rubin Abdi
rubin at starset.net

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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:13:53 -0800
From: Jonathan Foote <jtfoote at ieee.org>
Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Gifts for Pumping Station: One?
To: Josh Myer <josh at joshisanerd.com>
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> Resistor was kind enough to gift us our logo, it would be great to pass that
> on as a sort of tradition.

Splendid idea everyone!

Let's have a CNC workshop where we engrave a logo for them, and folks
can learn the toolchain.

1. What's a good time? Is anyone around next week during the holidays?

2. Let's get some engraving plastic from TAP plastics. Anyone want to
handle that? Contact me off-list.

-J

P.S. The circuit board I milled out works great!  But the process
isn't really a good substitute for a good board house. I will write up
details when I get a free moment.

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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:08:07 -0800
From: Kelly <hurtstotouchfire at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Unattended sharps in drawe
To: Josh Myer <josh at joshisanerd.com>
Cc: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
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I am really uncomfortable with the phrase "appear to be unused" in
this context.  Just saying.

On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Josh Myer <josh at joshisanerd.com> wrote:
> I found those before, they appear to be unused.? A syringe is a surprisingly
> useful thing every now and again (not just when you need to ride the white
> horse).
>
> (If we throw these out just because they're needles, so help me ${deity}...)
> --
> Josh Myer 650.248.3796
> josh at joshisanerd.com
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:43:45 -0800
From: Mitch Altman <maltman23 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Stickers?
To: Rubin Abdi <rubin at starset.net>, NoiseBridge Discuss
	<noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
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We are totally out of stickers.  But 5,000 more are on the way!  2000 B&W, and 3000 Red & Black.  The White ones will arrive at our PMB (at 2215-R Market St. #235) on Tuesday.  The Red ones are going to take about a week longer.

Mitch.

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> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:45:15 -0800
> From: rubin at starset.net
> To: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Stickers?
> 
> Anyone seen them? I wanted to hand out a bunch last night at the 1 bit 
> music thing as there were a lot (more the normal) of people new to the 
> space and very interested in coming back, wanted to see a list of 
> classes in the space.
> 
> -- 
> Rubin Abdi
> rubin at starset.net
> _______________________________________________
> Noisebridge-discuss mailing list
> Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss

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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:32:26 -0800
From: alexhandy <alexhandy at gmail.com>
Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] On Removal of a car boot
To: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
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So, as a hypothetical experiment....

If someone were to want to be very excellent to another member, and  
remove one of these car boots from a car, without damaging the car,  
and with an emphasis on speed, subtlety and effectiveness, how would  
one go about doing this?

By car boot, I mean the locked stopping mechanism Cities put on cars  
when they are illegally parked for too long.

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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:40:44 -0700 (MST)
From: nils at shkoo.com
Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] On Removal of a car boot
To: alexhandy <alexhandy at gmail.com>
Cc: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0911211736190.25855 at rhubarb.vicious.com>
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In some cases, the best bet might be to remove the whole car including the 
boot:

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/car-chat/362154-epic-thread-homeowner-vs-hoa-and-arizona-parking-solutions-boot-me-i-move-car.html

YMMV

-nils

On Sat, 21 Nov 2009, alexhandy wrote:

> So, as a hypothetical experiment....
>
> If someone were to want to be very excellent to another member, and
> remove one of these car boots from a car, without damaging the car,
> and with an emphasis on speed, subtlety and effectiveness, how would
> one go about doing this?
>
>
> By car boot, I mean the locked stopping mechanism Cities put on cars
> when they are illegally parked for too long.
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:52:44 -0800
From: Sai Emrys <noisebridge at saizai.com>
Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] On Removal of a car boot
To: nils at shkoo.com
Cc: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
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	<646661980911211652t2c083bdah2cc31b8e9cb14834 at mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 4:40 PM,  <nils at shkoo.com> wrote:
> In some cases, the best bet might be to remove the whole car including the
> boot:

Here's the summary version:
http://www.offroaders.com/news/Dolly-Man-Audi-Booted-APS.htm

Guy gets booted, tells the rentacops he's moving his car to his garage
and to pick up their boot when they want to. They threaten to sue for
theft, but cops say since he told 'em where it is and invited them to
take it back, they can fuck off.

The full thread is worth the read. It's epic win.

On topic: Since they probably record serial numbers vs plates, you
want to also not damage the boot. Otherwise they'll sue you for
destruction of property or some such bullshit. It's a weird area of
law, where you can fuck someone over without any police power, but
they're the ones who can't do anything about it or else they face
fines / arrest.

I wonder what'd happen if you booted the booters?

Also, I wonder if they're vulnerable to standard lockpicking
techniques. I've never actually seen the lock on one of 'em up close.

- Sai

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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:56:20 -0800
From: Sai Emrys <noisebridge at saizai.com>
Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] On Removal of a car boot
To: nils at shkoo.com
Cc: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
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Here's something about how to remove them: http://web.mit.edu/minidev/lib/boot

- Sai

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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:11:42 -0800
From: Mark Cohen <markc at binaryfaith.com>
Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] On Removal of a car boot
To: Sai Emrys <noisebridge at saizai.com>
Cc: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
Message-ID: <14973539-0242-4337-9924-19F24F70B6A5 at binaryfaith.com>
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On Nov 21, 2009, at 4:52 PM, Sai Emrys wrote:
<SNIP>

> 
> Also, I wonder if they're vulnerable to standard lockpicking
> techniques. I've never actually seen the lock on one of 'em up close.
> 
> - Sai

According to Universal Boot (Sabodoin Manufacturing Inc in Montreal) they state that "Any padlock will fit"

This means that ultimately they can be compromised. It depends on the make and manufacture of the lock...

The problem though is that the tickets are still in the system with the vehicle registration number and plate numbers.. So if the auto is moved but the tickets aren't paid they will likely put a warrant out.

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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:22:20 -0800
From: Brian Molnar <brian.molnar at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] On Removal of a car boot
To: Sai Emrys <noisebridge at saizai.com>
Cc: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
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Actually, I had always wondered what would happen if you bought your own
boots (of course, with the keys to unlock as well) and booted all four
wheels right after you park. You'd be unbootable AND untowable, and
moreover, you could leave whenever you wanted.

- Molnar

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Sai Emrys <noisebridge at saizai.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 4:40 PM,  <nils at shkoo.com> wrote:
> > In some cases, the best bet might be to remove the whole car including
> the
> > boot:
>
> Here's the summary version:
> http://www.offroaders.com/news/Dolly-Man-Audi-Booted-APS.htm
>
> Guy gets booted, tells the rentacops he's moving his car to his garage
> and to pick up their boot when they want to. They threaten to sue for
> theft, but cops say since he told 'em where it is and invited them to
> take it back, they can fuck off.
>
> The full thread is worth the read. It's epic win.
>
> On topic: Since they probably record serial numbers vs plates, you
> want to also not damage the boot. Otherwise they'll sue you for
> destruction of property or some such bullshit. It's a weird area of
> law, where you can fuck someone over without any police power, but
> they're the ones who can't do anything about it or else they face
> fines / arrest.
>
> I wonder what'd happen if you booted the booters?
>
> Also, I wonder if they're vulnerable to standard lockpicking
> techniques. I've never actually seen the lock on one of 'em up close.
>
> - Sai
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:30:38 -0800
From: Sai Emrys <noisebridge at saizai.com>
Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] On Removal of a car boot
To: Mark Cohen <markc at binaryfaith.com>
Cc: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
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On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Mark Cohen <markc at binaryfaith.com> wrote:
> The problem though is that the tickets are still in the system with the vehicle registration number and plate numbers.. So if the auto is moved but the tickets aren't paid they will likely put a warrant out.

That depends who issued them.

Only police have the authority to issue warrants / arrests, and actual
tickets are technically "bail" for a criminal act. (Read a real
ticket; that's how it's phrased in the fine print.)

For a private party booting (e.g. the POA thread above), it's an
entirely civil matter. The only enforcement powers they have are if
you fuck up and damage / steal their boot (in which case it's plain
theft and they complain to the cops). If you take off their boot
without damaging it, and leave it there for them to collect, I don't
think they can do anything about it unless you have a contract with
them saying otherwise.

For cop booting, that's another matter entirely. I don't think that
the act of (non-destructively) removing the boots itself is illegal
(someone correct me?), but you do have to deal with the ticket, or
just like any other cop ticket it will eventually get either taken off
your DMV fees, levy your state taxes, or (if you have a lot of
tickets) result in an arrest warrant.

If you care, I'd suggest going here to ask:
http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=78 - it's
a cop subforum of the main SF Bay Area motorcyclists' forum, and the
cops there are very helpful about explaining anything related to auto
law.

- Sai

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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:36:00 -0800
From: Christie Dudley <longobord at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Gifts for Pumping Station: One?
To: Jonathan Foote <jtfoote at ieee.org>
Cc: Noisebridge Discussion List
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Ooh, I'd love to help out with this, or at least learn the toolchain.  Can't
make it to Tap Plastics, though.

Christie
---
Why I take the road less traveled?  Oh, that's easy.  I'm claustrophobic.

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Jonathan Foote <jtfoote at ieee.org> wrote:

> > Resistor was kind enough to gift us our logo, it would be great to pass
> that
> > on as a sort of tradition.
>
> Splendid idea everyone!
>
> Let's have a CNC workshop where we engrave a logo for them, and folks
> can learn the toolchain.
>
> 1. What's a good time? Is anyone around next week during the holidays?
>
> 2. Let's get some engraving plastic from TAP plastics. Anyone want to
> handle that? Contact me off-list.
>
>
> -J
>
> P.S. The circuit board I milled out works great!  But the process
> isn't really a good substitute for a good board house. I will write up
> details when I get a free moment.
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:12:41 -0800
From: Christie Dudley <longobord at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Hamcram this weekend
To: michael at michaelshiloh.com
Cc: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
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Is there anyone planning on going tomorrow who can give me a ride?  I'd love
to go, but challenges to getting there are pretty crazy right now.

Christie
(Who doesn't need a gun to shoot herself in the foot!)
---
Why I take the road less traveled?  Oh, that's easy.  I'm claustrophobic.

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Michael Shiloh <
michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com> wrote:

> what?!?! and miss club arduino at the shipyard?
>
> (if i weren't hosting club arduino i would be at the cram. need to get
> above my technician status.)
>
> Meredith Scheff wrote:
> > Hey bridgenoses-
> > This weekend is the SF hamcram. Basically, they shove you full of info
> > and you get your Ham license in one day.
> >   http://wcf.com/aero/exams/poster.htm
> > I'm going, if anyone would like to join.
> > Mer
> >
> > Drawing and making
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