[Noisebridge-discuss] non-excellent couch behavior

[Kelly]

> it's a drama no-go zone at the moment

Actually, I think we've done rather well today.

-K

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Shannon Lee <shannon at scatter.com> wrote:
> I totally agree that there should be more discussion and that there should
> be more open-ness about our do-ocracy.
>
> That said, we have a remarkable hair-trigger when it comes to flying off the
> handle over things we don't like.  I don't blame anybody for not wanting to
> try to talk things out on noisebridge-discuss, it's a drama no-go zone at
> the moment and you never know what's going to set it off.  Additionally, I
> think that there's something to be said for just doing things you want done;
> the People who Did This  have done a lot of other stuff without consulting
> the list first, most of which were just taken to be Cool Stuff For The
> Benefit Of The Space.
>
> I've got a case of been down here at 2169 for anybody who wants to come down
> here and talk about this in person.
>
> --S
>
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Kelly <hurtstotouchfire at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> There is a contingent of reasonable people who viewed this as a prank
>> with no genuine risk involved.  One of the primary couch-movers was
>> qualified to assess the safety of the situation.  Now that some
>> explanations are coming out, I think it's clear that no harm was
>> intended.
>>
>> It's really important not to put a damper on the spirit of do-ocracy.
>> I think that the main issue is the secrecy.  Please DO things!  But
>> doing things in secret because you know they will piss people off and
>> thus avoiding discussion is not cool.  And generally I would say that
>> the first time is free.  Oops!  I walled off the DJ booth.  Turns out
>> everyone embraced the window entrance.  But if it seems that the
>> people do not want ceilings to be couched, we should consider verbal
>> negotiation of ceiling furnishings.
>>
>> -Kelly
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Alex Perez <aperez at alexperez.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > On Nov 13, 2009, at 5:10 PM, Kelly wrote:
>> >
>> >> At this point I really don't know if it's a joke or what.  There's
>> >> been a lot of off-list discussion, and the main bullet points seem to
>> >> be these:
>> >>
>> >> - The couch movers assumed that a couch was what the ceiling was built
>> >> for
>> >> - None of the darkroom people were aware of this, including those
>> >> working on the ceiling
>> >> - People are concerned about the safety of having the couch up
>> >> there--maybe we can see some load-bearing calculations?
>> >> - Some people feel that there was nothing wrong with the couch movers
>> >> behavior, and others feel really hurt by it.  There doesn't seem to be
>> >> a clear NB protocol for excellence on this matter.
>> >
>> > The protocol shouldn't be for excellence, it should be against general
>> > douchebaggery, and the douches who put the couch back up there should
>> > not
>> > even attempt to defend their behavior. Have any of them actually tried
>> > to?
>> >
>> >
>> >
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