[Noisebridge-discuss] MonkeyBrains donates a new uplink to Noisebridge

[jim]

+1 

   the unamed people involved please speak up and 
explain things, perhaps including why the secrecy.




On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 18:15 -0800, Danny O'Brien wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Ani Niow <v at oneletterwonder.com> wrote:
> > The original fibre plan is not going to happen anymore because of the fact
> > that we're using Monkeybrains now. The members behind the original effort
> > are not going to pursue this any further because we're (publicly) supporting
> > a company that is risking their efforts on getting high speed internet
> > access for all, not just Noisebridge. How can I be constructive and aid a
> > project that is no longer active because we basically steamrolled their
> > efforts?
> >
> 
> I guess I'm super-confused now, and I think some of that may be
> because everyone is sensitive to not wanting to speak for others, but
> want to speak out nonetheless.
> 
> Here is what I know:
> 
> 1. Monkeybrain offers us a connection.
> 2. They come to do a site inspection, and then instead of doing a site
> inspection say "why don't we put up the hardware anyway, while we're
> here -- it's $300"
> 3. Andy paid the $300.
> 
> I know this stuff because it was made public on the list, and at the meeting.
> 
> Ani mentions some stuff that I didn't know:
> 
> 1. Some people think that monkeybrains can't make this offer legally.
> 2. Some people have been working with the city to provide us a fiber
> link, which would in their opinion be more legitimate.
> 3. Now that the monkeybrains equipment is installed, the people in 2
> are stopping their work.
> 
> None of this was public before the list.
> 
> I'm worried about 1, just because it means that our monkeybrain (MB)
> connection may go away. I can't really see that it will provide as
> with legal liability, especially at this point, when we haven't signed
> any contract with MB. I would like this discussed further at a
> meeting. It would be great if a representative of MB was there, and
> somebody who believes 1 to be the case. I'd like some concrete
> evidence on either side.
> 
> I'm also worried about 2. I appreciate people doing this work, but I
> would like to know more information from them directly. If it is so
> confidential that they cannot speak publically about it, their work
> seems to conflict so profoundly with how NB works that I don't really
> see how it could have panned out well. If the secrecy was necessary
> because of the tentative nature of the agreement -- that it could not
> be mentioned on this mailing list, or in a meeting -- it seems like it
> would be so tentative that really NB, as a group, can have no real
> opinion about it. I think the risk of planning something for NB
> without actually discussing it through Noisebridge's public discussion
> channels is that you will be beaten by someone else doing it first. I
> don't see that there is a way around this, though it only would affect
> deals where you cannot publically discuss them in advance.
> 
> Finally, point 3. I would like more explanation as to why they are
> stopping. Is it because we are tarred by Monkeybrain's bad reputation
> within this group? Within whatever part of the city makes these
> directions? Simply because we now have a fast connection? Because they
> do not want to be part of NB any longer? Because their warnings about
> MB were ignored by specific individuals? This part is particularly
> confusing to me.
> 
> My own point of view, at this point, is to support the MB connection,
> because it exists, because I have no evidence of their guilt, and
> because I know very little of this other process that was going on in
> the background.
> 
> I'd like to make these other people feel more comfortable with
> Noisebridge, and if that means making the process more explicit to
> prevent future confusion, or give people avenues to block or announce
> their ongoing work in a more anonymous way, I would support that.
> 
> > -Ani
> >
> >
> >
> > 2009/11/25 Rubin Abdi <rubin at starset.net>
> >>
> >> Ani, if you have concerns with Monkeybrains and how they operate, I would
> >> recommend being constructive by aiding in the original fiber link plan. I
> >> for one look forward to having a decent net connection in the space
> >> administered by a member who's extremely competent in routing the tubes with
> >> line of sight.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Rubin Abdi
> >> rubin at starset.net
> >
> >
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