[Noisebridge-discuss] MonkeyBrains donates a new uplinkto Noisebridge [drama]

jim jim at well.com
Mon Nov 30 00:59:25 UTC 2009


:wq


On Sun, 2009-11-29 at 16:09 -0800, davidfine wrote:
> sorry, forgot to put the tag in my own reply-
> it's late over here :P
> --d
> 
> 
> On Sun 29/11/09 3:52 PM , "jim" jim at well.com sent:
>         
>         ...despite david's request (and gently put opinion)... 
>         
>         the use of the word "cabal" also strikes me as worth 
>         discussing. crutcher had used the word "oligarchy". 
>         
>         the corresponding term i use is "core". 
>         in my experience every group has a core of members 
>         that do most of the work, about 10 to 15 percent, 
>         depending on the current morale. 
>         there's another ten or twenty percent that will chip 
>         in to help from time to time. 
>         there's something like 40 or 50 percent that rarely 
>         or never help out. 
>         note i'm reporting on experiences i've had in the 
>         past, which seem to me at least somewhat a match to this 
>         community. 
>         the point: both "cabal" and "oligarchy" include some 
>         meaning of authority or clandestine or establishment or 
>         some such. i think those meanings do not help us to 
>         understand our community properly and i suggest we 
>         consider deprecating using them and try to use words 
>         that don't have a pejorative tone. just for the sake of 
>         accurate understanding. 
>         
>         
>         
>         
>         
>         On Sun, 2009-11-29 at 14:52 -0800, Rich Gibson wrote:
>         > Just a note: Ani made strongly negative statements accusing
>         Monkey
>         > Brains of being 'unexcellent,' and of breaking contracts.
>         > 
>         > She was apparently asked 'special nice' by the secret cabal
>         which
>         > apparently runs NB, so she agreed not to actually provide
>         any
>         > evidence, or facts, or names. Just innuendo.
>         > 
>         > But trust the keepers of secrets that the people who want
>         lots of
>         > bandwidth and spent their personal money to get that
>         bandwidth today
>         > are intrinsically being unexcellent.
>         > 
>         > But we can't tell you why.
>         > 
>         > What am I missing here?
>         > 
>         > I assert that making a claim that someone is not being
>         excellent based
>         > only on hidden star 
>         > chamber evidence is Bad.
>         > 
>         > 
>         > 
>         > On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Sai Emrys
>         <noisebridge at saizai.com>
>         > wrote:
>         > On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 1:38 AM, Meredith L. Patterson
>         > <mlp at thesmartpolitenerd.com> wrote:
>         > > This list is archived?
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>         > 
>         > Yes. See the footer.
>         > 
>         > Just a note, not opinion either way: Ani objects to some
>         > possible
>         > shenanigans by MonkeyBrains. Josh (et al?) claim that
>         > sometimes
>         > shenanigans by us are necessary. I find this interesting.
>         > 
>         > - Sai
>         > 
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