[Noisebridge-discuss] MonkeyBrains donates a new uplinkto Noisebridge [drama]
jim
jim at well.com
Mon Nov 30 00:59:25 UTC 2009
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On Sun, 2009-11-29 at 16:09 -0800, davidfine wrote:
> sorry, forgot to put the tag in my own reply-
> it's late over here :P
> --d
>
>
> On Sun 29/11/09 3:52 PM , "jim" jim at well.com sent:
>
> ...despite david's request (and gently put opinion)...
>
> the use of the word "cabal" also strikes me as worth
> discussing. crutcher had used the word "oligarchy".
>
> the corresponding term i use is "core".
> in my experience every group has a core of members
> that do most of the work, about 10 to 15 percent,
> depending on the current morale.
> there's another ten or twenty percent that will chip
> in to help from time to time.
> there's something like 40 or 50 percent that rarely
> or never help out.
> note i'm reporting on experiences i've had in the
> past, which seem to me at least somewhat a match to this
> community.
> the point: both "cabal" and "oligarchy" include some
> meaning of authority or clandestine or establishment or
> some such. i think those meanings do not help us to
> understand our community properly and i suggest we
> consider deprecating using them and try to use words
> that don't have a pejorative tone. just for the sake of
> accurate understanding.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, 2009-11-29 at 14:52 -0800, Rich Gibson wrote:
> > Just a note: Ani made strongly negative statements accusing
> Monkey
> > Brains of being 'unexcellent,' and of breaking contracts.
> >
> > She was apparently asked 'special nice' by the secret cabal
> which
> > apparently runs NB, so she agreed not to actually provide
> any
> > evidence, or facts, or names. Just innuendo.
> >
> > But trust the keepers of secrets that the people who want
> lots of
> > bandwidth and spent their personal money to get that
> bandwidth today
> > are intrinsically being unexcellent.
> >
> > But we can't tell you why.
> >
> > What am I missing here?
> >
> > I assert that making a claim that someone is not being
> excellent based
> > only on hidden star
> > chamber evidence is Bad.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Sai Emrys
> <noisebridge at saizai.com>
> > wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 1:38 AM, Meredith L. Patterson
> > <mlp at thesmartpolitenerd.com> wrote:
> > > This list is archived?
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> > Yes. See the footer.
> >
> > Just a note, not opinion either way: Ani objects to some
> > possible
> > shenanigans by MonkeyBrains. Josh (et al?) claim that
> > sometimes
> > shenanigans by us are necessary. I find this interesting.
> >
> > - Sai
> >
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