[Noisebridge-discuss] Consensus and the "old ways".

[Crutcher Dunnavant]

I object to the requirement that I be complicit or the asshole.
I object to the fact that no decision can outlast someone deciding to wall
up the dj booth for giggles (though that was hilarious, seriously: epic).

I object to being told that its for my own good.

People don't always agree. Sometimes they stop fighting, if you yell at them
enough. You haven't convinced them, you just beaten them down. I'd prefer a
vote over the abuse. That's what I want changed.

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Shannon Lee <shannon at scatter.com> wrote:

> If you believe that dissent and discord are reasons to abandon a decision
> making process, then I'm afraid that you're right, consensus isn't going to
> make you happy.
> The discordant yelling is part of the process.  It's how you know we're
> actually talking about something people care about; it's how you know that
> compromises are being cooked up.  I would be a lot more worried about the
> state of our organization if this stuff wasn't being discussed to death.
>
> I think that the kind of quick up-and-down votes you're talking about would
> just serve to either (a) short-circuit the process of actually making a
> group decision or (b) give he illusion of having made a decision when in
> fact everything's still up in the air.
>
> Back to my previous question, do you actually have something you want us to
> do that's being prevented by the consensus process?  Or are you just upset
> by the chaotic nature of it?
>
> --S
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Al Billings <albill at openbuddha.com>wrote:
>
>> We've already got people bitching about this thread all over IRC and
>> elsewhere so I'm officially giving up on this for 24 hours (at least).
>>
>> I would suggest that anyone who hasn't ALREADY replied on this topic
>> and has an opinion should do so just for diversity and variety's sake.
>> Otherwise, it's just five or so of us doing rounds.
>>
>> Al
>>
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