[Noisebridge-discuss] Deep Crack

[jim]

   the machine seems to have the status of "jake's stuff". 
   it's not on loan to noisebridge. it's a big honking 
thing that jake's gonna leave around for a while, per 
what i recall as uncontested examples of a project with 
a sign on it "jake's working on this" (jake and several 
other people), per last night's meeting. jake et als are 
bringing it in at their risk. 
   that some of us don't know or care what it is or does 
should be okay. 
   community issues could be cost of electricity, space 
taken, and noise. there seems to be a claim that project 
members will pay for the juice (needs a meter to do that 
accountably; needs amperage measurement and log of time 
on to approximate cost reasonably). as to space and noise, 
i'm okay with them bringing it in as long as they're 
willing to move it around to find a non-obnoxious place, 
that or get it out if others get over-annoyed. 
   i'm guessing that noisebridge is not responsible for 
someone who steals equipment or illegally uses jake's 
stuff (e.g. if someone figures out how to make meth from 
frantisek's sour mash and rubin's old hypo solution, are 
frantisek and rubin accountable when the meth freak gets 
busted?). 
   it's a project. we should be supportive of any project, 
at least to give its persons a chance. 



On Wed, 2009-10-07 at 23:33 -0700, Ani Niow wrote:
> Wait, is this going to be a personal project of yours that just
> happens to be at Noisebridge or is this for all of Noisebridge (minus
> US citizens) to take part in? You also mentioned that we would not
> have ownership of it, so what exactly does that mean? The EFF owns it
> but we're free to use it? This is sounding awfully like a loan which
> we've discussed time and time again that we do not accept.
> 
> 
> Comparing this to Rachel's sewing machine I do not believe is fair, no
> one is restricted from using a sewing machine, citizenship or not, it
> does not use enough power to justify people paying separately for it
> outright nor does it take up nearly as much space as Deep Crack would.
> This is reminding me more of the DIYbio fridge that was brought in
> those many months ago which violated the unofficial "what the fuck are
> you thinking, please use common sense clause". 
> 
> 
> Considering the size, power and potential liability issues this brings
> up, why was something like this not brought up for consensus? I
> checked the notes and there was discussion about it last meeting and a
> fair amount of people voiced these concerns on the mailing list. It
> doesn't seem to make much sense to simply bring it over all these
> people's concerns *before* they get sorted out.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Ani
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2009/10/7 Jacob Appelbaum <jacob at appelbaum.net>
>         Christie Dudley wrote:
>         >
>         > But I have to ask why?  Can someone who supports this give a
>         clear
>         > explanation to those of us not quite as enthralled with it
>         what we would
>         > actually do with it besides bring it to the space, talk
>         about it a lot, turn
>         > it on and watch it hum as it pounds away at some DES key
>         someone found
>         > lingering about.
>         
>         
>         I believe that I laid out a reasonable project. I think that
>         having the
>         machine in the space is a reasonable thing given the space
>         constraints
>         and the issues with moving a set of bulky machines. It's not
>         really
>         possible to tote it back and forth to the space when we want
>         to use it.
>         Especially considering the run time of say, eight days...
>         
>         Have we become a space where for each project, we must justify
>         and sell
>         every project to every member? That seems like it's not the
>         case. It
>         would be quite sad if it was so.
>         
>         Best,
>         Jake
>         
>         
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