[Noisebridge-discuss] deep crack announcement .. tax issue/

Jonathan Foote jtfoote at ieee.org
Fri Oct 9 00:31:43 UTC 2009


Used to work on ITAR stuff in grad school (advanced semi
manufacturing, go figure). Foreign grad students (and professors) were
specifically forbidden access.

from http://epic.org/crypto/export_controls/itar.html:

"Export means, for purposes of this subchapter:
 ...
(d) Disclosing or transferring technical data to a foreign person, whether
in the United States or abroad"



On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Jacob Appelbaum <jacob at appelbaum.net> wrote:
> Sai Emrys wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Tom Longson (nym) <tomlong at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I think of it as a deterrent to any foreigners visiting the space who may be
>>> worried about their Visas, again, justified or not.
>>
>> FWIW, my read of the law is that there's no basis to be worried about
>> this. The only restrictions I saw are on *export* or *sale*, not on
>> mere proximity or even usage.
>
> I think that this is correct.
>
>>
>>> On another note, has anyone considered making field trips to wherever
>>> DeepCrack is currently? If it lived at the computer museum also, it would
>>> both educate newer generations on crypto, and most likely could be open to
>>> NB field trips, therefore maximizing historical and educational value.
>>
>> Alternative alternative: NB could decide to start its own museum.
>>
>
> I don't think that a working machine that is desired as a learning tool
> belongs as a museum piece just yet.
>
>> AFAIU the current discussion, that's the value proposal of this to NB
>> as is - as a museum piece, not really so much as an actual tool.
>> Perhaps there are more such things worthy of more active display?
>> (E.g. perhaps the stuff from Arse & Open House?)
>
> How can you say that when I am advocating using it as a tool for a
> specific project?! :-(
>
> Best,
> Jake
>
>
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