[Noisebridge-discuss] Getting a piano for NB [drama]

[Christie Dudley]

(Extra tag added to help sort David Fine's inbox.)

The act of actually blocking a consensus decision is something very rare
indeed and indicates that communication has completely broken down on a
subject.  This is why it should be a truly rare thing.

That process can break down at either end - generally if it comes to that,
the member who has the objection's voice is being ignored, although an
uncommunicative member suddenly throwing a block out without having
mentioned any objection in advance is an equivalent breakdown in
communication.  In short, it should be clear that everyone pretty much
agrees before we have something up for formal consensus.

This doesn't mean that you would stake your membership on an issue you
disagree with.  It does mean that you should be reasonable and considerate
of others' desires and needs, and most importantly time.  If you disagree
with something and can convince those who are supporting it that it's not
what we should do, then that's a reasonable outcome from this sort of
discussion.

With the example of the piano, those who think a piano would be a noise
problem and not in line with Noisebridge's objectives could probably, and
probably will, convince those (myself included) that think having a piano
around would be pretty neat that it would be more problem than value to the
space.

No threats are being made, no reputations are being staked, just a
thoughtful discussion on what's best for everyone.

But that has me thinking about maybe getting a piano in at the warehouse
where I live, if they're so cheap to come by.

Christie
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On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Andy Isaacson <adi at hexapodia.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 06:11:38PM -0700, Ian Atha wrote:
> > > For the time being I will block on any notion to bring an acoustic
> piano
> > > to Noisebridge. It's not a good use of the space.
> >
> > When I started coming to Noisebridge I was told that the convention is
>
> Yeah, I really deplore the quick deployment of "block".  It's like
> saying (not in jest) "I'll sue you"; in a well-functioning consensus
> process, a block should be a once-a-year or once-a-decade event across
> the entire community, a final resort which is available to any member
> precisely because it's never used lightly.
>
> This isn't to pick on David specifically; I've heard similar statements
> from other members over the last months.
>
> Raising your concerns about a proposed action or acquisition or space
> usage is great; it opens discussion and allows others to meet you
> halfway.  Closing down discussion with the utter finality of deploying
> the nuclear option is disheartening and depressing and ultimately
> detrimental to our community.
>
> -andy
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