[Noisebridge-discuss] Block over email for noise pollution

[Ian Atha]

That explains a lot--thank you.

One point though, would you financially support a project in which you
weren't personally interested in but you support in principle?

For example, I think Spacebridge is really cool and I'm very glad they
use Noisebridge as their base station, but I wouldn't really care to
support it financially.

What I was trying to say with my, again reduction to the absurd,
corollaries is that quality-of-idea != monetary-buy-in.


On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 19:22, Vlad Spears <spears at 2secondfuse.com> wrote:
> I am partially in agreement with davidfine, so a few observations...
>
> On Apr 8, 2010, at 6:11 PM, Ian Atha wrote:
>>> If you can't raise $600 from the community for an idea, it's probably
>>> not that good an idea.
>>
>> Corollary (1): nobody in third-world countries has good ideas.
>> Corollary (2): no group of "starving artists" can have good ideas.
>>
>> Note that by community you're referring to the sub-community of people
>> interested in music (and not the Noisebridge community at large).
>
>
> A piano in the space is not limited to the sub-community of people
> interested in it.  It will impact the whole of the space.  If you
> can't get $600 of buy-in from the whole of the space, it's probably
> not a very good idea for the whole of the space.
>
> In corollary 1, you've taken the idea out of monetary context.  In a
> third world context, with a third world Noisebridge (now there's an
> opportunity), the amount would, of course, be scaled.
>
> In corollary 2, you've again taken the idea out of monetary context.
> In the context of Noisebridge in San Francisco, $600 of buy-in isn't
> very much.  In a community of only starving artists, the amount would
> obviously be different.  75 cents?  One dollar?
>
>
> On Apr 8, 2010, at 6:17 PM, Ian Atha wrote:
>> On the procedural, do people believe that, I, as a member of
>> Noisebridge, may I say something like this:
>>
>> I'm very jumpy--many of you have witnessed the effects sudden noises
>> to Z-axis coordinate. I tend to jump up a few feet.
>>
>> Being a member of Noisebridge, I block the the usage of any instrument
>> that produces sudden noises. For example, dremels (as long as they are
>> used for more than 2 seconds each time) are fine, but don't even think
>> of using a staple-gun.
>>
>> Whether I'm around or not, it doesn't matter. As a member, I block
>> their usage within the premises of Noisebridge.
>>
>> Would my block count? What effect does such a statement have,
>> pragmatically?
>
> A block is for something brought up for consensus.  Preemptively
> stating an intention to block generally seems to serve as a notice
> that the discussion is going in a direction someone is unhappy with,
> even though it has not yet been placed on the agenda for consensus,
> and probably indicates that more discussion and compromise is needed
> or the person stating their intention to block will add it to the
> agenda for consensus.
>
> So you can't just block the use of someone's noise polluting
> equipment.  It has to be put on the Tuesday agenda for discussion,
> discussed, then consensed on the following week or at some time after
> a committee explores it.
>
> It's easy for everyone to knee-jerk on the mailing list.  He might
> have done a more friendly job of it, but I think davidfine was
> operating in the above mode of notifying the discussion that he is
> unhappy with the idea of a piano in the space and looking for
> compromise.    See that he started his statement with "For the time
> being I will block on any notion to bring an acoustic piano to
> Noisebridge."  This is not an immovable position.
>
> I somewhat agree with davidfine that an acoustic piano in the space
> could be problematic, but I think shooting it down is solving a
> problem before it occurs.
>
> Perhaps the real problem is that it has been brought up for discussion
> and some sort of group permission here at all.  It's too late now,
> since it's been brought up and drama-fied, but Noisebridge is a do-
> ocracy.  If people want to bring in a free piano, they can do it, at
> any time.  No need to ask for permission.  If we can't live with it
> after that, someone will bring it up for discussion at a Tuesday
> meeting.
>
> Vlad
>
>
>> -ian.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 18:02, davidfine <d at vidfine.com> wrote:
>>> For the time being I will block on any notion to bring an acoustic
>>> piano
>>> to Noisebridge. It's not a good use of the space. I'd support a
>>> digital
>>> keyboard because they can be played quietly, stored out of the way,
>>> and
>>> they provide a handy midi interface.
>>>
>>> Checkout the Yamaha YPG-635, it has weighted hammers like an acoustic
>>> and can be bought new for $560.
>>> http://www.onlineluxury-shopping.com/product_info.php?products_id=4889&cPath=25
>>> This keyboard has better tactile response than any cheap old upright
>>> piano you're likely to find.
>>>
>>> If you can't raise $600 from the community for an idea, it's probably
>>> not that good an idea.
>>> --D
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