[Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge: Death and Taxes

[Sean Cusack]

Maybe one other useful point to bring up here is that although we need $4700
to stay open for February, there are months that come *after* February where
we also need to pay rent. Such. Is. Life.

Therefore, rather than trying to target a specific number just to stay open
one more month, it probably is a good idea for people to dig up some of that
ol' holiday spirit (in the form of Benjamins) and start the donatin' so we
can stay huddlin' around the soldering guns for many more months to come.

This e-mail contained a lot of apostrophes -
Sean

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Albert Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com>wrote:

> Patrick, Noisebridge's precarious financial situation has been well
> known for at least six months. The mailing list isn't the best way to
> get the answers for the questions you are asking. You can email Kelly
> at treasurer at noisebridge.net for specifics, but the best way would be
> to talk to her directly at the weekly meetings.
>
> I can assure you the basics of the situation have already been
> well-covered over and over again. What we need are people who can
> volunteer several dedicated hours a week on a consistent basis to do a
> lot of grunt work. Demanding answers on the mailing list is only
> adding to the workload at this point.
>
> -Al
>
> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Ryan Rawson <ryanobjc at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Patrick, I think you need to go out for drinks or something.  The fact
> > is the treasurer is the one who knows, and for obvious reasons not
> > everyone has access to the bank account (!).  It's also been an hour
> > or two since you started agitating for answers, but that is a pretty
> > short time span at holiday time to demand people reply.
> >
> > Check back in a week or two possibly.
> >
> > Here are some facts I know from reading the list:
> > - there are about 60 members, some paying $80, $40 and $160.
> > - The accounting system has been getting improved over the last 2
> > months. Tracking it all down is NOT a technology problem, its old
> > fashioned 'sit down with excel and spend a few hundred hours on it'.
> > THEN technology solutions can come to play.
> > - The bank account balance has been in multiple meeting reports. Read
> > the archives.
> >
> > -ryan
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Patrick Keys <citizenkeys at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>  > It is premature and I think a little insulting, to suggest that since
> >>  > the process is not somehow transparent to you (and specifically
> during
> >>  > the holidays where she and others are traveling) that it is somehow
> >>  > not up to snuff or that we're in immediate danger of collapse.
> >>
> >> It's not premature when this thread is titled "death and taxes" and the
> >> original message directly stated that noisebridge could be closing in
> >> February.
> >>
> >> What's insulting is for people to keep asking for money and yet not
> >> giving any direct answer when people ask how much money we already have.
> >>
> >> If somebody would say "we're $1000 short on funds for february", then
> >> it's easy to say "5 people each need to donate $200, or 10 people need
> >> to donate $100, etc."
> >>
> >> Whether Kelly is the treasurer or not, how difficult can it be to login
> >> to our Wells Fargo account and get an exact amount of how much funds we
> >> have available?
> >>
> >> Why is there this big secrecy over how much money we have in the bank?
> >>
> >>
> >> Patrick
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12/20/2010 3:55 PM, Lamont Lucas wrote:
> >>> On 12/20/10 3:33 PM, Patrick Keys wrote:
> >>>> My conversation with Kelly was ultimately that she lives in Berkeley,
> >>>> rarely visits Noisebridge, and that she has little motivation to do
> much
> >>>> with Noisebridge because of her busy graduate-school plans and living
> in
> >>>> Berkeley.
> >>>
> >>> I really appreciate your enthusiasm, but I think you lack a little
> >>> history and perspective on the matter.
> >>>
> >>> Kelly has made fantastic improvements in the books in the few months
> >>> since she took over, and I'm hoping she'll continue to make progress in
> >>> the new year.  The main issue seems to be getting people who were going
> >>> to pay to actually pay, and that's a slow process.
> >>>
> >>> It is premature and I think a little insulting, to suggest that since
> >>> the process is not somehow transparent to you (and specifically during
> >>> the holidays where she and others are traveling) that it is somehow not
> >>> up to snuff or that we're in immediate danger of collapse.
> >>>
> >>> I suggest reading the -discuss archives on or about 9/14 of this year
> to
> >>> see where we've been and what the past was.  There was a great deal of
> >>> discussion on software, as well as a wishlist for features that you
> >>> could quite helpfully contribute to, I'm sure.
> >>>
> >>>
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