[Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge: Death and Taxes

Danny O'Brien danny at spesh.com
Tue Dec 21 16:25:20 UTC 2010


I'm still on for gently hassling members. Somebody point me at a
spreadsheet or send me a list of emails or home addresses and set me
at them. I can be very persuasive!

d.


On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Ryan Rawson <ryanobjc at gmail.com> wrote:
> Patrick, I think you need to go out for drinks or something.  The fact
> is the treasurer is the one who knows, and for obvious reasons not
> everyone has access to the bank account (!).  It's also been an hour
> or two since you started agitating for answers, but that is a pretty
> short time span at holiday time to demand people reply.
>
> Check back in a week or two possibly.
>
> Here are some facts I know from reading the list:
> - there are about 60 members, some paying $80, $40 and $160.
> - The accounting system has been getting improved over the last 2
> months. Tracking it all down is NOT a technology problem, its old
> fashioned 'sit down with excel and spend a few hundred hours on it'.
> THEN technology solutions can come to play.
> - The bank account balance has been in multiple meeting reports. Read
> the archives.
>
> -ryan
>
> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Patrick Keys <citizenkeys at gmail.com> wrote:
>>  > It is premature and I think a little insulting, to suggest that since
>>  > the process is not somehow transparent to you (and specifically during
>>  > the holidays where she and others are traveling) that it is somehow
>>  > not up to snuff or that we're in immediate danger of collapse.
>>
>> It's not premature when this thread is titled "death and taxes" and the
>> original message directly stated that noisebridge could be closing in
>> February.
>>
>> What's insulting is for people to keep asking for money and yet not
>> giving any direct answer when people ask how much money we already have.
>>
>> If somebody would say "we're $1000 short on funds for february", then
>> it's easy to say "5 people each need to donate $200, or 10 people need
>> to donate $100, etc."
>>
>> Whether Kelly is the treasurer or not, how difficult can it be to login
>> to our Wells Fargo account and get an exact amount of how much funds we
>> have available?
>>
>> Why is there this big secrecy over how much money we have in the bank?
>>
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/20/2010 3:55 PM, Lamont Lucas wrote:
>>> On 12/20/10 3:33 PM, Patrick Keys wrote:
>>>> My conversation with Kelly was ultimately that she lives in Berkeley,
>>>> rarely visits Noisebridge, and that she has little motivation to do much
>>>> with Noisebridge because of her busy graduate-school plans and living in
>>>> Berkeley.
>>>
>>> I really appreciate your enthusiasm, but I think you lack a little
>>> history and perspective on the matter.
>>>
>>> Kelly has made fantastic improvements in the books in the few months
>>> since she took over, and I'm hoping she'll continue to make progress in
>>> the new year.  The main issue seems to be getting people who were going
>>> to pay to actually pay, and that's a slow process.
>>>
>>> It is premature and I think a little insulting, to suggest that since
>>> the process is not somehow transparent to you (and specifically during
>>> the holidays where she and others are traveling) that it is somehow not
>>> up to snuff or that we're in immediate danger of collapse.
>>>
>>> I suggest reading the -discuss archives on or about 9/14 of this year to
>>> see where we've been and what the past was.  There was a great deal of
>>> discussion on software, as well as a wishlist for features that you
>>> could quite helpfully contribute to, I'm sure.
>>>
>>>
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