[Noisebridge-discuss] [Noisebridge-announce] Noisebridge: Death and Taxes

[Sai]

I think doing this would require also changing the hypothetical rules
from "everyone has a veto"* to some sort of voting situation.

* Yeah yeah, I know the whole consensus spiel. It's nice in theory,
for smaller groups. But be honest, it's hypothetical at best; honest
consensus/negotiation/deescalation ain't how it actually works here.

I also think that there are enough die-hards, with vetos in the
current system, that there is no way in hell it will ever happen. I
don't see a solution to that, other than to completely deprecate
membership, which I think is a poor "solution".


preemptive 'cause if I don't I'll get jumped on: No I don't think that
everything should be done by the rules. In fact I think they're barely
relevant.

But I also think that they represent the culture - in this case a
confrontational perversion of consensus - and are the primary reason
that I am the only person to ever have been denied membership.
(Because people had ideas about what I might veto, and thus that
allowing me to have it [by being a member] would endanger the
functionality of process. Which I find terribly ironic/amusing/sad.)

- Sai

On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 7:56 PM, aditya bhargava
<bluemangroupie at gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree that Noisebridge has a high bar for entry, and I have heard of many
> people being put off by the exclusivity that we portray. It's unfortunate
> because AFAIK we want the exact opposite effect; Noisebridge is supposed to
> be friendly and open to newcomers. I think Hacker Dojo charges $100 per
> month. I would be willing to pay that to transform NB to a more cooperative,
> more orderly, lower-drama space. But I also think that would require a
> drastic change in how we operate, and the anarchy at NB would make that
> tough (ironically).
>
> Adit
>
> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 4:58 PM, - <noisebridge at splattercast.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>> Please consider reading and re-reading Patrick Keys' apparently-prescient
>> note from Yesterday on the subject of Noisebridge (non)-management and money
>> matters generally.
>> I've tried to belong. I want to. There is no entry vector other than sheer
>> force and willpower.
>> This may work for some die-hards. I don't want to work that hard to fit
>> in, and i think many others do not, either.
>> Anarchy is fun as long as someone else is paying the bills, but a little
>> bit of order and organization can be extremely useful, at least in reducing
>> the amount of thinking and re-thinking that seem to go on here.
>> I've had some exposure to the Hacker Dojo in Mountain View. It costs money
>> to get in the door there. But it costs way less than most other comparable
>> "spaces" and it's not run by some nasty corporate thingy. In exchange for
>> that, the members seem to spend all or most of their time there, doing their
>> own projects, not fussing about "managing" the place.
>> As an outsider (and now probably, outcast), it appears that noisebridge
>> spends a lot of time managing noisebridge...
>> You want to kill that burn rate, make a few policies that stick, and
>> create a coherent and actually-operating means of joining. I think i wrote
>> my name on a piece of paper in a little binder three or more months ago...
>> then what? I have no clue.
>> - jim
>>
>> On Dec 20, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Shannon Lee wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> We have a problem.
>> Actually, I think we have several problems, but we have one major
>> manifestation of our problem:  We are broke.  We are not going to be able to
>> pay February's rent at the current rate of input/output.  We're currently
>> taking in about $2500/month in dues & donations, and we're spending about
>> $5000 in rent and utilities and whatnot.  This is a dramatic drop-off from
>> this summer, when we were doing a little better than breaking even.
>> So, no joke, Noisebridge may close its doors in February, unless we can
>> solve our problem.  This is way past the time for "let's have a party and
>> charge money!" -- the thing we need is for people who don't want Noisebridge
>> to close to reach into their wallets and shell out some cash.  Some of you
>> will have noticed the new donation box with a sign that says "It costs $165
>> per day to keep us open" -- this is true, $165 per day is our burn rate;
>> this means we need roughly two full members, or four "starving hacker"
>> members, to pay for every day we're open; this works out to 60 "full"
>> members or 120 "starving hacker" members, or some combination thereof.
>> Ways to donate are spelled out on the wiki here:
>> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Donate_or_Pay_Dues
>> They come down to: we take cash, checks, paypal and straight up
>> bank-transfer.
>> If you are not sure about having a committed relationship with Noisebridge
>> (I know, commitment is scary) consider sponsoring a day:
>> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/SponsorADay
>> For those of you who are confused about the membership process -- being a
>> member of Noisebridge costs $80 per month.  If you're a regular user of the
>> space, you should become a member.  Membership can be either formal (in
>> which case you have a voice in political processes) or informal (wherein you
>> simply donate money to the space, but don't participate in decision making);
>> if you are only interested in supporting the space, simply start donating
>> $80 per month; if you want to be a formal member, ask a member for details,
>> or attend a Tuesday meeting.
>> Please support us or we will be gone, and soon.
>> Thanks for your time,
>> --S
>> --
>> Shannon Lee
>> (503) 539-3700
>>
>> "Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from science."
>>
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