[Noisebridge-discuss] Sleeping at NB

[Rachel McConnell]

OOOH A TROLL!  Patrick you're learning :)

(I am drunk.  More emails coming.  THIS IS FUN!)

Patrick Keys wrote:
> I agree that the playing of video games needs to stop.
> There are a few people that come here and do basically nothing besides 
> play video games.
> That's ridiculous.
> The solution to that is setting a "no video games" policy.
> 
> 
> Patrick
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/22/2010 10:18 PM, Shannon Lee wrote:
>> I think that if we can't exert some sort of control over our space, then
>> we definitely fail at being a community.  I like the idea that we can
>> eschew rules and authority and rely on the community to enforce its
>> standards through social pressure; but social pressure is essentially
>> just as coercive as the enforcement of rules via established authority.
>>
>> If we're simply opposed to coercion in all forms, then I think we lose;
>> we just give up and come to terms with the fact that Noisebridge is
>> going to be and remain a crash-pad for whoever wants to occupy the
>> couches and play video games, and we should find somewhere else to
>> actually do stuff.
>>
>> --S
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Jacob Appelbaum <jacob at appelbaum.net
>> <mailto:jacob at appelbaum.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     On 12/22/2010 05:22 PM, Moxie Marlinspike wrote:
>>      >
>>      >
>>      > On 12/22/2010 07:50 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote:
>>      >> Try to understand the reason each person in our community sleeps
>>     on the
>>      >> sofa. I'm not talking about people wandering in off of the
>>     street but
>>      >> rather people in our community who are on the sofa. I'm pretty sure
>>      >> sleeping on the sofa isn't the same as community membership unless
>>      >> they're sleep hackers. :-)
>>      >>
>>      >> In many cases, it's totally reasonable - the annoying part is that
>>      >> everyone has reasonable reasons. So in that case, I'd ask you to
>>     find
>>      >> the change within yourself and accept that there is no perfect
>>     system
>>      >> that also perfectly accommodates for any deviation.
>>      >
>>      > The classic anarchist joke, which I believe appeared in an early
>>     issue
>>      > of Harbinger, is:
>>      >
>>      > "You people are crazy if you don't believe in property, what
>>     would you
>>      > do if you came home and found a stranger watching TV in your
>>     livingroom?"
>>      >
>>      > "I'd ask them where the TV came from."
>>      >
>>
>>     I love this joke. :-)
>>
>>      > I don't believe that Noisebridge can, in even the most remote
>>     sense, be
>>      > considered a "community."  Most of the people at Noisebridge
>>     (sleeping
>>      > or otherwise) hardly know each-other's names, which is seriously
>>      > light-years away from what really being part of a community together
>>      > implies.
>>
>>     I don't agree with you on this point - I think this probably holds true
>>     for you and it doesn't hold true for everyone else. The people you've
>>     hacked with or the people you know at Noisebridge are part of the
>>     community - it's simply a splintered community. The wiki is one face of
>>     the community, the cooking nights are another - we're not a single
>>     unified front but that doesn't mean that we're not a community.
>>
>>     All the best,
>>     Jake
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Shannon Lee
>> (503) 539-3700
>>
>> "Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from science."
>>
>>
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