[Noisebridge-discuss] long-time visitors VS. new visitors (the growing rift)

girlgeek_wt girlgeek at wt.net
Thu Dec 23 08:51:48 UTC 2010


Sean & Rachel,
I second the bourbon.  Excellent idea.
-Claudia
On 12/23/2010 12:31 AM, Sean Cusack wrote:
> Dude, I seriously don't get where all the stir-it-up-i-tude is coming 
> from. I normally stay out of this stuff, but omg there has been like 
> 42 x 10^10 e-mails on this topic in the last week, and hopefully 
> adding my $0.02 will prevent my inbox from getting clogged 
> (*chuckles*). Bourbon glass is in hand...BEGIN!
>
> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 11:27 PM, Patrick Keys <citizenkeys at gmail.com 
> <mailto:citizenkeys at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     This is my final comment before I make a conscious effort to seriously
>     decrease my comments altogether for awhile...
>
>     As a new visitor myself, it feels like there's a growing rift between
>     new visitors versus long-time visitors.  I respect that the long-time
>     visitors helped bring this space together, know more about the
>     vision of
>     the space, and make a conscious effort to keep noisebridge alive.
>
>     That said, most of the long-time visitors don't actually show up that
>     often.  And when they do, the vibe I personally get is one of
>     entitlement as if to say "i own this and you're just a guest".
>
>
> Cool. How do you define long timer? I've been going to NB for about 
> 6-7 months now, helped out with some darkroom stuff, raised some cash, 
> and don't show up that often. Which category do I fall into? Oh 
> yeah...its too hard to define. So really there isn't a rift between 
> newbs and old timers, there is just a bunch of people who may have 
> differing opinions.
>
> As has been brought up a million times, there isn't a vision of the 
> space. No one owns anything either - its an anarchy (ok, almost: "be 
> excellent to each other"). The space is an enabler. If you have a 
> vision, use the space to act it out.
>
> "I own this and you're just a guest"? Really? Think about this. When 
> you first tried to learn how to solder, you probably tried a bunch of 
> stuff, some people gave you some suggestions, you assimilated those 
> suggestions, and got really good at soldering eventually. What would 
> you have done if someone more experienced ripped the iron out of your 
> hand and did the work for you on your first soldering joint? You would 
> have probably yelled at them at told them "I own this, and you're just 
> an observer". Now, look at a lot of the e-mails you've been sending. 
> Does it sound like you are trying to supply constructive 
> criticism/suggestions, or are you trying to rip a soldering iron out 
> of a person's hand? Given your overall tone, is it surprising that 
> you're getting a "I own this, and you're a guest vibe"? No. I get that 
> this may not be your intention, but this is how several of your 
> e-mails are being interpreted (at least by me).
>
>     On the other hand, some of us, like me, use this space as our personal
>     office.  This is normal for some other hackerspaces, like Hacker Dojo.
>     Basically, people work long hours at the space, take legitimate naps
>     there, do some collaborating, and get a lot done.
>
>
> Cool. I would call that a co-working space. Noisebridge is a 
> "hackerspace"...and an anarchist one at that. It says so on the 
> website. Therefore, expect shit to happen like sleeping on couches, 
> weird accounting practices, and laser eyed sharks attacking cigarette 
> machine robots. If you can get a lot done in that environment and use 
> it as your 9-5 office, have at it. If you can't...well...don't use an 
> anarchist hackerspace like its a co-working space!
> Whew. Time for a bourbon refill and a return to packing.
>
> I used 2 cool's to start sentences, and started this entire e-mail 
> with DUDE -
> Sean
>
>
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