[Noisebridge-discuss] voting: approval vs condorcet

[jim]

   i'm not yet buying it. 
   the point to consensus is to protect minorities from 
having their interests stomped on by any particular 
majority. blocking is a last-gasp mechanism to force 
the entire group to listen to the minority needs and 
address them. 
   to block stubbornly without explaining the needs or 
point of view (which happens), is irresponsible on the 
part of the minority. seems a point of order should be 
called to force a recalcitrant minority to make its 
case. 
   consensus is essentially agreement that no damage 
will be done: "silence indicates assent." 


On Thu, 2010-12-30 at 23:37 -0800, Albert Sweigart wrote:
> Things that pass consensus do pass this standard. But it is relevant
> to the things we come to consensus on at the meetings:
> 
> > Each member entitled to vote may cast one vote on each matter submitted to a vote of the members
> 
> Though we could technically say we bring matters to be consensus'd on
> at the meetings, but that certainly isn't the intent or spirit of the
> actual bylaws. This would be an issue in a case where 99% of the
> people are for something but one person blocks, in which case the
> majority's will is not being enforced.
> 
> -Al
> 
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 8:57 PM, Josh Myer <josh at joshisanerd.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Jonathan Lassoff <jof at thejof.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'd agree with Jim here -- at least from this snippet of our rules, it
> >> says who can and how to vote but it doesn't mention anything about how
> >> those votes are tallied. Consensus is just re-polling until we get a
> >> unanimous vote -- though we're not really using ballots.
> >>
> >
> > Err.
> >
> > d. Approval by Majority Vote
> > If a quorum is present, the affirmative vote of a majority of the
> > voting power represented at the meeting, entitled to vote and voting
> > on any matter, shall be deemed the act of the members
> >
> > To go all SAT on it, all things which pass consensus will pass this section,
> > but not everything that passes this section passes consensus.
> > Not sure if this section is actually relevant to the usual consensus items.
> > And, in any case, it's pretty purely academic: I don't recall anything
> > meaningful being blocked except in a "Let's talk about this next week" sort
> > of way.
> > (Full disclosure: I don't really care in any case, since I moved to random
> > cash donations when I use the space instead of regular membership a long,
> > long time ago.)
> > --
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> >  josh at joshisanerd.com
> >
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