[Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge Lending Library?

[jim]

"Not quite sure I understand this;: 
----------------------------^^^^ 
JS: which "this"? 

first "this": 
"is there a license attached to donations?" 
JS: NB is a 501(c)3 corporation. people can donate 
stuff to NB, and (because NB is 501<>3) they can 
claim a tax credit for the donation. But their 
claims are subject to audit, and NB is bound to 
use the donations or dispense of them in certain 
ways, and NB is subject to inspection or audit 
should there be some complaint. 

second "this": 
JS: i like anarchy because it reveals true dynamics: 
governance suppresses some behaviors and favors 
others (e.g. sex and marriage) based somewhat on 
old traditions and beliefs that are to some extent 
bogus. but the positive side of governance is 
stability. 
   for an anarchist group to be stable, it has to 
explain and promote values, and it's a "the truth 
shall make ye free" kind of thing: explanations that 
truly reflect dynamics will tend to stick, and bogus 
explanations (those that are based on ideals, which 
can be like old beliefs--somewhat bogus, e.g. some 
"politically correct" views) will tend to be ignored 
and fade away. 
   an "anarchist" group that allows absolutely any 
behavior at all is, i think, mainly an excuse for 
childish indulgence, which is inconsiderate of 
others, i.e. non- or anti-excellent. that group is 
likely to degroup because it allows too many 
frustrations among its members. 
   in the case of NB resources, some are obviously 
for consumption and some are obviously not; i think 
there are few in a gray area. 
   for consumption: toilet paper, printer and 
whiteboard supplies, electronic components, scrap 
electronic devices and subsystems, screws, saw 
blades, drill bits.... 
   not for consumption, but for community use: books, 
electrical and painting and other infrastructure 
supplies, whiteboards, appliances, test gear, network 
and "house" computers.... 
   consume consumables and the community is richer: 
people do things, get satisfaction, develop ideas.... 
   consume non-consumables and the community is 
poorer: one person re-purposes the community printer 
and that person gets a robot, perhaps non-functioning,
and the community loses a printer; one person takes 
a book and that person gets a new surface for dust 
bunnies while the community loses the book. 

   i think the above is true. i suspect that reasons 
for disliking the above include a selfish wish to do 
something that is strong enough to obscure the 
interests of others, kind of like wanting to get rich 
may effectively deprive others of essentials. 
   seems to me good to emphasize how each of us can 
get good from non-consumables in a way that considers 
others. in the case of books, make time to read them 
on premises. in the case of printers, don't re-purpose 
them until after they're broken. 

   a PS: i've come to the conclusion that there is 
only one crime, that of being inconsiderate. take the 
"big three": theft, rape, and murder. they're 
actually all theft in one sense, and they all have 
legitimate counterpart behaviors: getting someone to 
haul away stuff one no longer wants, rough sex, and 
euthanasia. the legitimate variants are wished for; 
the criminal variants are imposed without regard to 
others' interests, i.e. non- or anti-excellent. 



On Sat, 2010-02-06 at 23:03 -0800, Ever Falling wrote:
> As much as i think it would be nice to lend out books jim has a point
> in that there's not much accountability attached to anyone taking the
> books from the space if we haven't a sufficient way to log who's
> taking them. I think in the long run it would be good to figure out a
> system for allowing short term rentals. maybe even with a few
> restrictions on some books like how normal libraries don't let you
> take the encyclopedia volumes. A working copier (do we have one?)
> would have to suffice for books we deem too valuable to let it be
> loaned out.
> 
> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Will Sargent <will.sargent at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>                   People who donate things to noisebridge do so with
>                 some sense of mission, and donors are part of the
>                 noisebridge community whether or not they are members.
>                 it is not excellent to disregard the intentions of
>                 donors: at least we should understand the intent of
>                 the
>                 donation before co-opting stuff for personal purposes.
>         
>         
>         Not quite sure I understand this; is there a license attached
>         to donations?
>          
>                   My point of view is that if reusing community
>                 resources for one's own purpose deprives the rest of
>                 the use, as is the case of missing books, that is
>                 sufficiently unexcellent that we should not do that.
>          
>                   i consider myself sympathic to anarchistic ideals.
>         
>         
>         I understand your concerns, and I hate lending books out of my
>         personal library to people who never return them or "forget"
>         they have them.  
>         
>         
>         I'm happy to put down books or cash / checks down of equal or
>         greater value as collateral, and would even expect that.  Not
>         to mention that losing a book would look pretty bad for me
>         personally.
>         
>         
>         Will.
>         
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