[Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge Executive Director
jim
jim at well.com
Sat Feb 27 21:37:35 UTC 2010
wait a second. what do the bylaws say about
running members over?
On Sat, 2010-02-27 at 13:05 -0800, Zedd Epstein wrote:
> There was only one person that blocked. She is not willing to change
> her position for the good of the organization as a whole, and our
> version of consensus doesn't allow us to just run her over. Therefore
> the only recourse we have is to find someone else that we can all
> agree on.
>
> Zedd
>
> On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Vlad Spears <spears at 2secondfuse.com>
> wrote:
> Was acceptance of attendance by remote means brought up in the
> meeting? If so, it seems that should have ended the objection
> to
> Mitch as Executive Director. At that point, why was the block
> retained by whoever blocked?
>
> It would be great if someone who actually blocked Mitch could
> speak up
> on this list.
>
> Vlad
>
>
>
> On Feb 27, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Jeffrey Malone wrote:
>
> >> From my recollection, there have been only two board
> meetings in the
> > past 12 months. Maybe three.
> > One week's notice is required to hold one, and I believe
> that is the
> > standard advanced warning.
> >
> > Attendance is perfectly acceptable via phone, or other
> electronic
> > means (as explicitly stated in our bylaws).
> >
> > Jeffrey
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 11:40 AM, dmolnar
> <dmolnar at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> How many BOD meetings do we have?
> >> Are they frequent enough that it would be difficult to
> schedule
> >> attending in
> >> advance?
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Ever Falling <everfalling at gmail.com>
> >> Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 11:33 AM
> >> To: Vlad Spears <spears at 2secondfuse.com>
> >> Cc: Noisebridge Discussion List
> <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> >> >
> >> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge Executive
> Director
> >>
> >> IIRC there was only one point made for why Mitch wouldn't
> be the /
> >> best/
> >> choice (not that he wouldn't, for this one point, otherwise
> be a
> >> good ED)
> >> for ED and that's the fact that he travels a lot and
> wouldn't be
> >> able to
> >> attend the required BOD meetings all the time. Christie,
> who made
> >> the point,
> >> suggested Micholi (sp?) as he's at the space more often.
> >>
> >> On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Vlad Spears
> >> <spears at 2secondfuse.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 27, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Ani Niow wrote:
> >>>
> >>> According to our bylaws
> >>>
> (https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Bylaws#ARTICLE_V_OFFICERS),
> the
> >>> ED's only
> >>> responsibilities to preside over all board meetings and
> submit a
> >>> financial
> >>> report 120 days after the end of the fiscal year.
> Occasionally as
> >>> an officer
> >>> the ED may be asked to help or sign paperwork such as
> getting a
> >>> seller's
> >>> permit (which we've been trying to get for months but
> given the
> >>> unclear
> >>> status of if we have actually *had* an ED since October it
> has not
> >>> happened
> >>> yet). Other than that it's generally being an otherwise
> awesome
> >>> contributor
> >>> to Noisebridge.
> >>> What the arguing is about is that some people feel that
> the ED
> >>> should have
> >>> more responsibility, such as being an advocate for
> Noisebridge in
> >>> their
> >>> travels and being a representative of sorts. I disagree
> with this
> >>> view given
> >>> we are a collective without anyone being in a hierarchy,
> we should
> >>> all be
> >>> doing this job as members and contributors.
> >>>
> >>> So is this why Mitch was blocked as Executive Director?
> These are
> >>> two
> >>> different issues.
> >>> Issue 1) We need an Executive Director now.
> >>> Issue 2) Later, after much discussion, let's affirm or
> redefine
> >>> exactly
> >>> what the Executive Director's role is. If the person
> currently in
> >>> the role
> >>> at a point of redefinition cannot fulfill it, they can
> step down
> >>> and a new
> >>> Executive Director can be sought.
> >>> I'd like to point out while we are all advocates and
> >>> representatives of
> >>> Noisebridge in the wider world, it would be poor planning
> not to
> >>> account for
> >>> the fact our internal valuations do not match the wider
> world's
> >>> perceptions.
> >>> Noisebridge members generally know that "Executive
> Director" does
> >>> not mean
> >>> "in charge" and is not a position of power. The outside
> world
> >>> does not know
> >>> this, and assumes the inverse. It seems particularly
> important,
> >>> then, to
> >>> have an Executive Director who is not just generally
> awesome as a
> >>> Noisebridge contributor, but can explain this to the
> outside world
> >>> while not
> >>> being prone to self-aggrandizement or assumption of power
> they do
> >>> not
> >>> actually wield. This fits Mitch like a glove.
> >>> Again, who blocked Mitch and why?
> >>> Vlad
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Trying to fix or change something, only guarantees and
> perpetuates
> >> its
> >> existence.
> >>
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