[Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge Executive Director

jim jim at well.com
Sat Feb 27 21:37:35 UTC 2010


   wait a second. what do the bylaws say about 
running members over? 



On Sat, 2010-02-27 at 13:05 -0800, Zedd Epstein wrote:
> There was only one person that blocked. She is not willing to change
> her position for the good of the organization as a whole, and our
> version of consensus doesn't allow us to just run her over. Therefore
> the only recourse we have is to find someone else that we can all
> agree on. 
> 
> Zedd
> 
> On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Vlad Spears <spears at 2secondfuse.com>
> wrote:
>         Was acceptance of attendance by remote means brought up in the
>         meeting?  If so, it seems that should have ended the objection
>         to
>         Mitch as Executive Director.  At that point, why was the block
>         retained by whoever blocked?
>         
>         It would be great if someone who actually blocked Mitch could
>         speak up
>         on this list.
>         
>         Vlad
>         
>         
>         
>         On Feb 27, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Jeffrey Malone wrote:
>         
>         >> From my recollection, there have been only two board
>         meetings in the
>         > past 12 months.  Maybe three.
>         > One week's notice is required to hold one, and I believe
>         that is the
>         > standard advanced warning.
>         >
>         > Attendance is perfectly acceptable via phone, or other
>         electronic
>         > means (as explicitly stated in our bylaws).
>         >
>         > Jeffrey
>         >
>         > On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 11:40 AM, dmolnar
>         <dmolnar at gmail.com> wrote:
>         >> How many BOD meetings do we have?
>         >> Are they frequent enough that it would be difficult to
>         schedule
>         >> attending in
>         >> advance?
>         >>
>         >>
>         >> ________________________________
>         >> From: Ever Falling <everfalling at gmail.com>
>         >> Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 11:33 AM
>         >> To: Vlad Spears <spears at 2secondfuse.com>
>         >> Cc: Noisebridge Discussion List
>         <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
>         >> >
>         >> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge Executive
>         Director
>         >>
>         >> IIRC there was only one point made for why Mitch wouldn't
>         be the /
>         >> best/
>         >> choice (not that he wouldn't, for this one point, otherwise
>         be a
>         >> good ED)
>         >> for ED and that's the fact that he travels a lot and
>         wouldn't be
>         >> able to
>         >> attend the required BOD meetings all the time. Christie,
>         who made
>         >> the point,
>         >> suggested Micholi (sp?) as he's at the space more often.
>         >>
>         >> On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Vlad Spears
>         >> <spears at 2secondfuse.com>
>         >> wrote:
>         >>>
>         >>> On Feb 27, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Ani Niow wrote:
>         >>>
>         >>> According to our bylaws
>         >>>
>         (https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Bylaws#ARTICLE_V_OFFICERS),
>         the
>         >>> ED's only
>         >>> responsibilities to preside over all board meetings and
>         submit a
>         >>> financial
>         >>> report 120 days after the end of the fiscal year.
>         Occasionally as
>         >>> an officer
>         >>> the ED may be asked to help or sign paperwork such as
>         getting a
>         >>> seller's
>         >>> permit (which we've been trying to get for months but
>         given the
>         >>> unclear
>         >>> status of if we have actually *had* an ED since October it
>         has not
>         >>> happened
>         >>> yet). Other than that it's generally being an otherwise
>         awesome
>         >>> contributor
>         >>> to Noisebridge.
>         >>> What the arguing is about is that some people feel that
>         the ED
>         >>> should have
>         >>> more responsibility, such as being an advocate for
>         Noisebridge in
>         >>> their
>         >>> travels and being a representative of sorts. I disagree
>         with this
>         >>> view given
>         >>> we are a collective without anyone being in a hierarchy,
>         we should
>         >>> all be
>         >>> doing this job as members and contributors.
>         >>>
>         >>> So is this why Mitch was blocked as Executive Director?
>          These are
>         >>> two
>         >>> different issues.
>         >>> Issue 1) We need an Executive Director now.
>         >>> Issue 2) Later, after much discussion, let's affirm or
>         redefine
>         >>> exactly
>         >>> what the Executive Director's role is.  If the person
>         currently in
>         >>> the role
>         >>> at a point of redefinition cannot fulfill it, they can
>         step down
>         >>> and a new
>         >>> Executive Director can be sought.
>         >>> I'd like to point out while we are all advocates and
>         >>> representatives of
>         >>> Noisebridge in the wider world, it would be poor planning
>         not to
>         >>> account for
>         >>> the fact our internal valuations do not match the wider
>         world's
>         >>> perceptions.
>         >>>  Noisebridge members generally know that "Executive
>         Director" does
>         >>> not mean
>         >>> "in charge" and is not a position of power.  The outside
>         world
>         >>> does not know
>         >>> this, and assumes the inverse.  It seems particularly
>         important,
>         >>> then, to
>         >>> have an Executive Director who is not just generally
>         awesome as a
>         >>> Noisebridge contributor, but can explain this to the
>         outside world
>         >>> while not
>         >>> being prone to self-aggrandizement or assumption of power
>         they do
>         >>> not
>         >>> actually wield.  This fits Mitch like a glove.
>         >>> Again, who blocked Mitch and why?
>         >>> Vlad
>         >>> _______________________________________________
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>         >>> Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
>         >>>
>         https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss
>         >>>
>         >>
>         >>
>         >>
>         >> --
>         >> Trying to fix or change something, only guarantees and
>         perpetuates
>         >> its
>         >> existence.
>         >>
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