[Noisebridge-discuss] (no subject) ^-- SPAM [DRAMA]

[Miah Johnson]

FTFY.

-Miah

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Christie Dudley <longobord at gmail.com>wrote:

> I couldn't have said it better myself, Lief.  While it's clear that the
> intention was good, the net effect is increasing business for Elixir.  After
> all, it was your responsibility to promote the event, Sean, so you
> effectively gave them free advertising.  The portion that they donated to
> Noisebridge?  It's revenue that they would not have seen anyway - tips.
>
> I'd like to thank the bartenders at Elixir for the donations, although I
> would consider the bar itself to merely be a parasitic enabler.  I will say
> that I have been there and think it's a nice place to go for a drink, but it
> makes me a little uncomfortable that they're using the community in this
> fashion to increase their business.
>
> When a portion of drink sales go to supporting the advertised charity, then
> they're actually contributing.
>
> Christie
> _______
> "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The
> latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to
> hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence."
> -- Albert Einstein
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Leif Ryge <leif at synthesize.us> wrote:
>
>> On 06/10/2010 09:19 AM, Sean Cusack wrote:
>> > Sorry all - I hope peeps know that I didn't mean to spam the list - I
>> think
>> > me...err...google made it all better.
>>
>> Yeah, I figured you probably didn't mean to. Out of curiosity, how did
>> this happen? I understand that the city of Santo Adriano's website was
>> compromised by spammers, but what caused you to send that email to the
>> list consisting solely of that link? (Is your computer OK?)
>>
>> And, what do you mean "google made it all better"? I just clicked the
>> link again and Google isn't stopping it from redirecting to a pharmacy
>> site.
>>
>> > We all use the talents we have to make the space better, right? Leif,
>> you're
>> > likely an infinitely better coder than me. Me? I can do some stuff with
>> > booze. Sorry you think its a bad idea to try and use my ability to raise
>> > funds for the space other than walking in and dropping money in a
>> > bucket/sending a paypal donation, but this is a do-acracy right?
>> so...tough
>> > shit :). In case it really wasn't clear in the e-mails, the point wasn't
>> > really to advertise a bar, but to advertise an event to get money for NB
>> > that happened to take place at a bar.
>>
>> I was reluctant to say anything at all, especially since Noisebridge
>> could use more funds and I do like to consume alcohol - I almost
>> attended your event last night myself. Donating to Noisebridge is great;
>> thank you for doing that! What I don't appreciate is advertising on our
>> website, and regardless of if that was "the point" it was clearly a
>> result. Elixir obviously held this event to make money for themselves,
>> first and foremost. They presumably made more money than they would have
>> otherwise, due to the crowd of Noisebridge supporters you brought in.
>> More significantly, in addition to last nights' revenues, they also
>> reaped an invaluable gain to their brand equity: Our good name is now
>> associated with theirs in many local alcohol consumers' minds. This is
>> obviously beneficial to them, and, assuming they made more than they
>> would have otherwise, it didn't cost them a thing.
>>
>> Lots of companies would gladly throw some money at Noisebridge in
>> exchange for banners in the space and/or on our website. Luckily I don't
>> think our financial situation is so bad that we need to consider that
>> kind of thing. We have turned down "donors" in the past who would have
>> required advertising in exchange for their "donation"; I think we should
>> continue this practice.
>>
>> If our financial situation ever does become dire enough that we decide
>> we must sell association with our name as an advertising product, I
>> think we should try to get the most value possible by going with a big
>> spender like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GoldenPalace.com (I'm only 5%
>> joking here - I sincerely hope it never comes to this, but if it does, I
>> do think we should shop around).
>>
>> Cheers,
>> ~leif
>>
>> p.s. want to get a beer sometime? I'll buy :)
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