[Noisebridge-discuss] (no subject) ^-- SPAM [DRAMA]
davidfine
d at vidfine.com
Fri Jun 11 01:45:37 UTC 2010
Thank you for helping me sort my inbox. I haven't seen any purple in
here for a while, so it actually caught my eye more than non-drama
threads. That's great!
PS. I think our brand is safe, and appreciate the extra income. Thanks,
Sean, for organizing something.
--D
On 6/10/10 11:42 AM, Miah Johnson wrote:
> FTFY.
>
> -Miah
>
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Christie Dudley <longobord at gmail.com
> <mailto:longobord at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I couldn't have said it better myself, Lief. While it's clear
> that the intention was good, the net effect is increasing business
> for Elixir. After all, it was your responsibility to promote the
> event, Sean, so you effectively gave them free advertising. The
> portion that they donated to Noisebridge? It's revenue that they
> would not have seen anyway - tips.
>
> I'd like to thank the bartenders at Elixir for the donations,
> although I would consider the bar itself to merely be a parasitic
> enabler. I will say that I have been there and think it's a nice
> place to go for a drink, but it makes me a little uncomfortable
> that they're using the community in this fashion to increase their
> business.
>
On 6/10/10 11:42 AM, Miah Johnson wrote:
> FTFY.
>
> -Miah
>
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Christie Dudley <longobord at gmail.com
> <mailto:longobord at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I couldn't have said it better myself, Lief. While it's clear
> that the intention was good, the net effect is increasing business
> for Elixir. After all, it was your responsibility to promote the
> event, Sean, so you effectively gave them free advertising. The
> portion that they donated to Noisebridge? It's revenue that they
> would not have seen anyway - tips.
>
> I'd like to thank the bartenders at Elixir for the donations,
> although I would consider the bar itself to merely be a parasitic
> enabler. I will say that I have been there and think it's a nice
> place to go for a drink, but it makes me a little uncomfortable
> that they're using the community in this fashion to increase their
> business.
>
> When a portion of drink sales go to supporting the advertised
> charity, then they're actually contributing.
>
> Christie
> _______
> "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from
> mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not
> thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and
> courageously uses his intelligence." -- Albert Einstein
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Leif Ryge <leif at synthesize.us
> <mailto:leif at synthesize.us>> wrote:
>
> On 06/10/2010 09:19 AM, Sean Cusack wrote:
> > Sorry all - I hope peeps know that I didn't mean to spam the
> list - I think
> > me...err...google made it all better.
>
> Yeah, I figured you probably didn't mean to. Out of curiosity,
> how did
> this happen? I understand that the city of Santo Adriano's
> website was
> compromised by spammers, but what caused you to send that
> email to the
> list consisting solely of that link? (Is your computer OK?)
>
> And, what do you mean "google made it all better"? I just
> clicked the
> link again and Google isn't stopping it from redirecting to a
> pharmacy site.
>
> > We all use the talents we have to make the space better,
> right? Leif, you're
> > likely an infinitely better coder than me. Me? I can do some
> stuff with
> > booze. Sorry you think its a bad idea to try and use my
> ability to raise
> > funds for the space other than walking in and dropping money
> in a
> > bucket/sending a paypal donation, but this is a do-acracy
> right? so...tough
> > shit :). In case it really wasn't clear in the e-mails, the
> point wasn't
> > really to advertise a bar, but to advertise an event to get
> money for NB
> > that happened to take place at a bar.
>
> I was reluctant to say anything at all, especially since
> Noisebridge
> could use more funds and I do like to consume alcohol - I almost
> attended your event last night myself. Donating to Noisebridge
> is great;
> thank you for doing that! What I don't appreciate is
> advertising on our
> website, and regardless of if that was "the point" it was
> clearly a
> result. Elixir obviously held this event to make money for
> themselves,
> first and foremost. They presumably made more money than they
> would have
> otherwise, due to the crowd of Noisebridge supporters you
> brought in.
> More significantly, in addition to last nights' revenues, they
> also
> reaped an invaluable gain to their brand equity: Our good name
> is now
> associated with theirs in many local alcohol consumers' minds.
> This is
> obviously beneficial to them, and, assuming they made more
> than they
> would have otherwise, it didn't cost them a thing.
>
> Lots of companies would gladly throw some money at Noisebridge in
> exchange for banners in the space and/or on our website.
> Luckily I don't
> think our financial situation is so bad that we need to
> consider that
> kind of thing. We have turned down "donors" in the past who
> would have
> required advertising in exchange for their "donation"; I think
> we should
> continue this practice.
>
> If our financial situation ever does become dire enough that
> we decide
> we must sell association with our name as an advertising
> product, I
> think we should try to get the most value possible by going
> with a big
> spender like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GoldenPalace.com
> (I'm only 5%
> joking here - I sincerely hope it never comes to this, but if
> it does, I
> do think we should shop around).
>
> Cheers,
> ~leif
>
> p.s. want to get a beer sometime? I'll buy :)
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