[Noisebridge-discuss] (no subject) ^-- SPAM [DRAMA]

davidfine d at vidfine.com
Fri Jun 11 01:45:37 UTC 2010


Thank you for helping me sort my inbox. I haven't seen any purple in 
here for a while, so it actually caught my eye more than non-drama 
threads. That's great!
PS. I think our brand is safe, and appreciate the extra income. Thanks, 
Sean, for organizing something.
--D

On 6/10/10 11:42 AM, Miah Johnson wrote:
> FTFY.
>
> -Miah
>
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Christie Dudley <longobord at gmail.com 
> <mailto:longobord at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     I couldn't have said it better myself, Lief.  While it's clear
>     that the intention was good, the net effect is increasing business
>     for Elixir.  After all, it was your responsibility to promote the
>     event, Sean, so you effectively gave them free advertising.  The
>     portion that they donated to Noisebridge?  It's revenue that they
>     would not have seen anyway - tips.
>
>     I'd like to thank the bartenders at Elixir for the donations,
>     although I would consider the bar itself to merely be a parasitic
>     enabler.  I will say that I have been there and think it's a nice
>     place to go for a drink, but it makes me a little uncomfortable
>     that they're using the community in this fashion to increase their
>     business.
>

On 6/10/10 11:42 AM, Miah Johnson wrote:
> FTFY.
>
> -Miah
>
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Christie Dudley <longobord at gmail.com 
> <mailto:longobord at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     I couldn't have said it better myself, Lief.  While it's clear
>     that the intention was good, the net effect is increasing business
>     for Elixir.  After all, it was your responsibility to promote the
>     event, Sean, so you effectively gave them free advertising.  The
>     portion that they donated to Noisebridge?  It's revenue that they
>     would not have seen anyway - tips.
>
>     I'd like to thank the bartenders at Elixir for the donations,
>     although I would consider the bar itself to merely be a parasitic
>     enabler.  I will say that I have been there and think it's a nice
>     place to go for a drink, but it makes me a little uncomfortable
>     that they're using the community in this fashion to increase their
>     business.
>
>     When a portion of drink sales go to supporting the advertised
>     charity, then they're actually contributing.
>
>     Christie
>     _______
>     "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from
>     mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not
>     thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and
>     courageously uses his intelligence." -- Albert Einstein
>
>
>
>     On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Leif Ryge <leif at synthesize.us
>     <mailto:leif at synthesize.us>> wrote:
>
>         On 06/10/2010 09:19 AM, Sean Cusack wrote:
>         > Sorry all - I hope peeps know that I didn't mean to spam the
>         list - I think
>         > me...err...google made it all better.
>
>         Yeah, I figured you probably didn't mean to. Out of curiosity,
>         how did
>         this happen? I understand that the city of Santo Adriano's
>         website was
>         compromised by spammers, but what caused you to send that
>         email to the
>         list consisting solely of that link? (Is your computer OK?)
>
>         And, what do you mean "google made it all better"? I just
>         clicked the
>         link again and Google isn't stopping it from redirecting to a
>         pharmacy site.
>
>         > We all use the talents we have to make the space better,
>         right? Leif, you're
>         > likely an infinitely better coder than me. Me? I can do some
>         stuff with
>         > booze. Sorry you think its a bad idea to try and use my
>         ability to raise
>         > funds for the space other than walking in and dropping money
>         in a
>         > bucket/sending a paypal donation, but this is a do-acracy
>         right? so...tough
>         > shit :). In case it really wasn't clear in the e-mails, the
>         point wasn't
>         > really to advertise a bar, but to advertise an event to get
>         money for NB
>         > that happened to take place at a bar.
>
>         I was reluctant to say anything at all, especially since
>         Noisebridge
>         could use more funds and I do like to consume alcohol - I almost
>         attended your event last night myself. Donating to Noisebridge
>         is great;
>         thank you for doing that! What I don't appreciate is
>         advertising on our
>         website, and regardless of if that was "the point" it was
>         clearly a
>         result. Elixir obviously held this event to make money for
>         themselves,
>         first and foremost. They presumably made more money than they
>         would have
>         otherwise, due to the crowd of Noisebridge supporters you
>         brought in.
>         More significantly, in addition to last nights' revenues, they
>         also
>         reaped an invaluable gain to their brand equity: Our good name
>         is now
>         associated with theirs in many local alcohol consumers' minds.
>         This is
>         obviously beneficial to them, and, assuming they made more
>         than they
>         would have otherwise, it didn't cost them a thing.
>
>         Lots of companies would gladly throw some money at Noisebridge in
>         exchange for banners in the space and/or on our website.
>         Luckily I don't
>         think our financial situation is so bad that we need to
>         consider that
>         kind of thing. We have turned down "donors" in the past who
>         would have
>         required advertising in exchange for their "donation"; I think
>         we should
>         continue this practice.
>
>         If our financial situation ever does become dire enough that
>         we decide
>         we must sell association with our name as an advertising
>         product, I
>         think we should try to get the most value possible by going
>         with a big
>         spender like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GoldenPalace.com
>         (I'm only 5%
>         joking here - I sincerely hope it never comes to this, but if
>         it does, I
>         do think we should shop around).
>
>         Cheers,
>         ~leif
>
>         p.s. want to get a beer sometime? I'll buy :)
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