[Noisebridge-discuss] Proposal: Discounted full-year dues
jim
jim at well.com
Wed Jun 16 21:30:24 UTC 2010
there's a difference between dying and dead, too.
general rule of thumb is to have about six months
expenses in the bank and start panicking when it
gets down to three. time to panic, according to
the general rule.
On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 12:40 -0700, aestetix aestetix wrote:
> Are we actually in the red?
>
> There's a big difference between not having a few months wiggleroom,
> and having our checks bounce.
>
> On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Rachel McConnell <rachel at xtreme.com>
> wrote:
> oooh I had no idea! yeah i'll get in touch with them right
> away. i did
> search various open source repos and found nothing useful...
>
> Christie Dudley wrote:
> > Katie from Hacker Dojo was mentioning they'd put together a
> complete
> > open source package for managing things, including payment
> tracking and
> > so forth that they're interested in sharing. It might not
> be a bad
> > idea, and foster a bit of goodwill if we at least had a look
> at that,
> > don't you think?
> >
> > The problem may already be solved for us.
> >
> > Christie
> > _______
> > "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from
> mediocrities.
> > The latter cannot understand it when a man does not
> thoughtlessly submit
> > to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses
> his
> > intelligence." -- Albert Einstein
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Rachel McConnell
> <rachel at xtreme.com
>
>
> > <mailto:rachel at xtreme.com>> wrote:
> >
> > It's all done by hand right now, there's no automation.
> I mean the bank
> > account (and paypal, etc) tracks that $X has shown up,
> but there isn't
> > any system to associate it with a particular member.
> Sometimes a
> > payment comes with a note; if it's a check you have to
> go look at the
> > name on the check, etc.
> >
> > jim wrote:
> > > Y'all have reminded me of payment, so there must
> > > be some tracking in place, yes?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 10:29 -0700, Rachel McConnell
> wrote:
> > >> I like this in theory but in practice it would be
> folly to officially
> > >> promote it until we have an accounting system that
> can support it.
> > >> Already we don't know who is paid up and who isn't;
> work is
> > underway on
> > >> a system to manage this but let's get it working
> first before we make
> > >> massive changes to it.
> > >>
> > >> Rachel
> > >>
> > >> jim wrote:
> > >>> (seems like a discussion of policy.)
> > >>> per the proposal and the points:
> > >>> * how much to discount for a one year pre-payment
> seems
> > >>> the difficult part: too little and no one goes for
> it;
> > >>> too big and we miss out on possible income; variable
> > >>> (maybe within some limits, hoping for generosity)
> may
> > >>> work....
> > >>> * if we don't have a "real accounting system", as
> long
> > >>> as we can track payments with respect to members,
> this
> > >>> seems a non-issue. for example, i pay by the quarter
> > >>> and haven't had any problems. if a payment is
> recorded
> > >>> as income for the current month, is there a tax
> > >>> implication?
> > >>> * we should certainly try to help our current cash
> > >>> crunch"; the overall downward trend scares me.
> > >>> * grabbing a year's supply of money may help the
> > >>> initially excited retain their interest over a
> longer
> > >>> time period, which seems an additional value.
> > >>> * i'm not convinced of your arithmetic, but
> certainly
> > >>> money today is worth a fair amount more than money
> > >>> some later day, especially if there's some question
> > >>> about getting money on those later days. a real
> > >>> answer to this might help settle the discount
> problem.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 09:49 -0700, Shannon Lee
> wrote:
> > >>>> Hi All,
> > >>>> This idea has been brought up at several meetings
> now and no
> > >>>> satisfactory resolution reached, so obviously it's
> time to
> > expand the
> > >>>> conversation!
> > >>>> The specific proposal brought up last night was
> this:
> > >>>> If you pay your dues a year at a time, you can
> knock $20 off.
> > Or one
> > >>>> month's dues off. Or some amount of money.
> > >>>> Many perspectives were voiced on this. I think
> it's a good idea;
> > >>>> others disagreed, primarily because, as we do not
> have a real
> > >>>> accounting system, this amounts to counting a
> year's dues as this
> > >>>> month's revenue.
> > >>>> Again, I think this is a good idea, for the
> following reasons:
> > >>>> * it could help with our current cash cruch
> > >>>> * it means that people who get very excited about
> noisebridge
> > for just
> > >>>> long enough to be members and then never show up
> again have the
> > >>>> opportunity to pay a whole year's membership
> upfront
> > >>>> * the economic value of a bird in one's hand is
> double that of
> > a bird
> > >>>> in a bush
> > >>>> Thoughts?
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> Shannon Lee
> > >>>> (503) 539-3700
> > >>>>
> > >>>> "Any sufficiently analyzed magic is
> indistinguishable from
> > science."
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