[Noisebridge-discuss] Proposal: Discounted full-year dues
aestetix aestetix
aestetix at gmail.com
Wed Jun 16 21:49:15 UTC 2010
I don't think it's really fair to qualify whether a group is alive or dead
based on financial numbers. It's more of a mentality and motivation of the
people. If a group is in danger for whatever reason, be it financial,
political, or anything else, having a call to bring people together to save
the group proves that it's alive and well.
It's just like my teacher used to say during the Iraq War debate: lots of
bickering about what should be done actually means there are a lot of people
who care. I think rather than fingerpointing and ensuring each member pays
their dues, we should band together, help each other out where we can, and
figure out a solution that works for the entire group in the long term.
aestetix
PS: I am not a communist.
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 2:30 PM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:
>
>
> there's a difference between dying and dead, too.
> general rule of thumb is to have about six months
> expenses in the bank and start panicking when it
> gets down to three. time to panic, according to
> the general rule.
>
>
>
> On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 12:40 -0700, aestetix aestetix wrote:
> > Are we actually in the red?
> >
> > There's a big difference between not having a few months wiggleroom,
> > and having our checks bounce.
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Rachel McConnell <rachel at xtreme.com>
> > wrote:
> > oooh I had no idea! yeah i'll get in touch with them right
> > away. i did
> > search various open source repos and found nothing useful...
> >
> > Christie Dudley wrote:
> > > Katie from Hacker Dojo was mentioning they'd put together a
> > complete
> > > open source package for managing things, including payment
> > tracking and
> > > so forth that they're interested in sharing. It might not
> > be a bad
> > > idea, and foster a bit of goodwill if we at least had a look
> > at that,
> > > don't you think?
> > >
> > > The problem may already be solved for us.
> > >
> > > Christie
> > > _______
> > > "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from
> > mediocrities.
> > > The latter cannot understand it when a man does not
> > thoughtlessly submit
> > > to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses
> > his
> > > intelligence." -- Albert Einstein
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Rachel McConnell
> > <rachel at xtreme.com
> >
> >
> > > <mailto:rachel at xtreme.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > It's all done by hand right now, there's no automation.
> > I mean the bank
> > > account (and paypal, etc) tracks that $X has shown up,
> > but there isn't
> > > any system to associate it with a particular member.
> > Sometimes a
> > > payment comes with a note; if it's a check you have to
> > go look at the
> > > name on the check, etc.
> > >
> > > jim wrote:
> > > > Y'all have reminded me of payment, so there must
> > > > be some tracking in place, yes?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 10:29 -0700, Rachel McConnell
> > wrote:
> > > >> I like this in theory but in practice it would be
> > folly to officially
> > > >> promote it until we have an accounting system that
> > can support it.
> > > >> Already we don't know who is paid up and who isn't;
> > work is
> > > underway on
> > > >> a system to manage this but let's get it working
> > first before we make
> > > >> massive changes to it.
> > > >>
> > > >> Rachel
> > > >>
> > > >> jim wrote:
> > > >>> (seems like a discussion of policy.)
> > > >>> per the proposal and the points:
> > > >>> * how much to discount for a one year pre-payment
> > seems
> > > >>> the difficult part: too little and no one goes for
> > it;
> > > >>> too big and we miss out on possible income; variable
> > > >>> (maybe within some limits, hoping for generosity)
> > may
> > > >>> work....
> > > >>> * if we don't have a "real accounting system", as
> > long
> > > >>> as we can track payments with respect to members,
> > this
> > > >>> seems a non-issue. for example, i pay by the quarter
> > > >>> and haven't had any problems. if a payment is
> > recorded
> > > >>> as income for the current month, is there a tax
> > > >>> implication?
> > > >>> * we should certainly try to help our current cash
> > > >>> crunch"; the overall downward trend scares me.
> > > >>> * grabbing a year's supply of money may help the
> > > >>> initially excited retain their interest over a
> > longer
> > > >>> time period, which seems an additional value.
> > > >>> * i'm not convinced of your arithmetic, but
> > certainly
> > > >>> money today is worth a fair amount more than money
> > > >>> some later day, especially if there's some question
> > > >>> about getting money on those later days. a real
> > > >>> answer to this might help settle the discount
> > problem.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 09:49 -0700, Shannon Lee
> > wrote:
> > > >>>> Hi All,
> > > >>>> This idea has been brought up at several meetings
> > now and no
> > > >>>> satisfactory resolution reached, so obviously it's
> > time to
> > > expand the
> > > >>>> conversation!
> > > >>>> The specific proposal brought up last night was
> > this:
> > > >>>> If you pay your dues a year at a time, you can
> > knock $20 off.
> > > Or one
> > > >>>> month's dues off. Or some amount of money.
> > > >>>> Many perspectives were voiced on this. I think
> > it's a good idea;
> > > >>>> others disagreed, primarily because, as we do not
> > have a real
> > > >>>> accounting system, this amounts to counting a
> > year's dues as this
> > > >>>> month's revenue.
> > > >>>> Again, I think this is a good idea, for the
> > following reasons:
> > > >>>> * it could help with our current cash cruch
> > > >>>> * it means that people who get very excited about
> > noisebridge
> > > for just
> > > >>>> long enough to be members and then never show up
> > again have the
> > > >>>> opportunity to pay a whole year's membership
> > upfront
> > > >>>> * the economic value of a bird in one's hand is
> > double that of
> > > a bird
> > > >>>> in a bush
> > > >>>> Thoughts?
> > > >>>> --
> > > >>>> Shannon Lee
> > > >>>> (503) 539-3700
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> "Any sufficiently analyzed magic is
> > indistinguishable from
> > > science."
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