[Noisebridge-discuss] Proposal: Discounted full-year dues
jim
jim at well.com
Wed Jun 16 22:06:25 UTC 2010
i like the motivation part. i didn't mean to compare
living/dead to money/no-money, but there is a chill to
the idea that we might not make the rent and be out on
the street, back to the muddy waters cafe.
I like the idea of getting some money into the bank
account, and i'm something of a whore about getting
money: pretty much anything will be okay with me, other
than using MSFT windows or some such, e.g. having a
fund-raising party or other event (solder for dollars),
begging (maybe soliciting grants or donations...).
On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 14:49 -0700, aestetix aestetix wrote:
> I don't think it's really fair to qualify whether a group is alive or
> dead based on financial numbers. It's more of a mentality and
> motivation of the people. If a group is in danger for whatever reason,
> be it financial, political, or anything else, having a call to bring
> people together to save the group proves that it's alive and well.
>
> It's just like my teacher used to say during the Iraq War debate: lots
> of bickering about what should be done actually means there are a lot
> of people who care. I think rather than fingerpointing and ensuring
> each member pays their dues, we should band together, help each other
> out where we can, and figure out a solution that works for the entire
> group in the long term.
>
> aestetix
>
> PS: I am not a communist.
>
> On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 2:30 PM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:
>
>
> there's a difference between dying and dead, too.
> general rule of thumb is to have about six months
> expenses in the bank and start panicking when it
> gets down to three. time to panic, according to
> the general rule.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 12:40 -0700, aestetix aestetix wrote:
> > Are we actually in the red?
> >
> > There's a big difference between not having a few months
> wiggleroom,
> > and having our checks bounce.
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Rachel McConnell
> <rachel at xtreme.com>
> > wrote:
> > oooh I had no idea! yeah i'll get in touch with
> them right
> > away. i did
> > search various open source repos and found nothing
> useful...
> >
> > Christie Dudley wrote:
> > > Katie from Hacker Dojo was mentioning they'd put
> together a
> > complete
> > > open source package for managing things, including
> payment
> > tracking and
> > > so forth that they're interested in sharing. It
> might not
> > be a bad
> > > idea, and foster a bit of goodwill if we at least
> had a look
> > at that,
> > > don't you think?
> > >
> > > The problem may already be solved for us.
> > >
> > > Christie
> > > _______
> > > "Great spirits have always found violent
> opposition from
> > mediocrities.
> > > The latter cannot understand it when a man does
> not
> > thoughtlessly submit
> > > to hereditary prejudices but honestly and
> courageously uses
> > his
> > > intelligence." -- Albert Einstein
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Rachel McConnell
> > <rachel at xtreme.com
> >
> >
> > > <mailto:rachel at xtreme.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > It's all done by hand right now, there's no
> automation.
> > I mean the bank
> > > account (and paypal, etc) tracks that $X has
> shown up,
> > but there isn't
> > > any system to associate it with a particular
> member.
> > Sometimes a
> > > payment comes with a note; if it's a check you
> have to
> > go look at the
> > > name on the check, etc.
> > >
> > > jim wrote:
> > > > Y'all have reminded me of payment, so
> there must
> > > > be some tracking in place, yes?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 10:29 -0700, Rachel
> McConnell
> > wrote:
> > > >> I like this in theory but in practice it
> would be
> > folly to officially
> > > >> promote it until we have an accounting
> system that
> > can support it.
> > > >> Already we don't know who is paid up and
> who isn't;
> > work is
> > > underway on
> > > >> a system to manage this but let's get it
> working
> > first before we make
> > > >> massive changes to it.
> > > >>
> > > >> Rachel
> > > >>
> > > >> jim wrote:
> > > >>> (seems like a discussion of policy.)
> > > >>> per the proposal and the points:
> > > >>> * how much to discount for a one year
> pre-payment
> > seems
> > > >>> the difficult part: too little and no one
> goes for
> > it;
> > > >>> too big and we miss out on possible
> income; variable
> > > >>> (maybe within some limits, hoping for
> generosity)
> > may
> > > >>> work....
> > > >>> * if we don't have a "real accounting
> system", as
> > long
> > > >>> as we can track payments with respect to
> members,
> > this
> > > >>> seems a non-issue. for example, i pay by
> the quarter
> > > >>> and haven't had any problems. if a payment
> is
> > recorded
> > > >>> as income for the current month, is there
> a tax
> > > >>> implication?
> > > >>> * we should certainly try to help our
> current cash
> > > >>> crunch"; the overall downward trend scares
> me.
> > > >>> * grabbing a year's supply of money may
> help the
> > > >>> initially excited retain their interest
> over a
> > longer
> > > >>> time period, which seems an additional
> value.
> > > >>> * i'm not convinced of your arithmetic,
> but
> > certainly
> > > >>> money today is worth a fair amount more
> than money
> > > >>> some later day, especially if there's some
> question
> > > >>> about getting money on those later days. a
> real
> > > >>> answer to this might help settle the
> discount
> > problem.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 09:49 -0700, Shannon
> Lee
> > wrote:
> > > >>>> Hi All,
> > > >>>> This idea has been brought up at several
> meetings
> > now and no
> > > >>>> satisfactory resolution reached, so
> obviously it's
> > time to
> > > expand the
> > > >>>> conversation!
> > > >>>> The specific proposal brought up last
> night was
> > this:
> > > >>>> If you pay your dues a year at a time,
> you can
> > knock $20 off.
> > > Or one
> > > >>>> month's dues off. Or some amount of
> money.
> > > >>>> Many perspectives were voiced on this. I
> think
> > it's a good idea;
> > > >>>> others disagreed, primarily because, as
> we do not
> > have a real
> > > >>>> accounting system, this amounts to
> counting a
> > year's dues as this
> > > >>>> month's revenue.
> > > >>>> Again, I think this is a good idea, for
> the
> > following reasons:
> > > >>>> * it could help with our current cash
> cruch
> > > >>>> * it means that people who get very
> excited about
> > noisebridge
> > > for just
> > > >>>> long enough to be members and then never
> show up
> > again have the
> > > >>>> opportunity to pay a whole year's
> membership
> > upfront
> > > >>>> * the economic value of a bird in one's
> hand is
> > double that of
> > > a bird
> > > >>>> in a bush
> > > >>>> Thoughts?
> > > >>>> --
> > > >>>> Shannon Lee
> > > >>>> (503) 539-3700
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> "Any sufficiently analyzed magic is
> > indistinguishable from
> > > science."
> > > >>>>
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