[Noisebridge-discuss] My pants got pwned @ 5MoF
Rachel McConnell
rachel at xtreme.com
Tue Jun 22 20:55:43 UTC 2010
John, if someone lased you at 5MoF, it is pretty clear that they are not
on this list, nor did anyone who is on this list see anything about it.
We have had one or two minor incidences that looked like attempted
vandalism in the past, but those who did them stepped up and explained
and things got cleared up pretty quick. Whatever the faults of
Noisebridgers, we are pretty strong on taking responsibility for our own
actions and I am confident we'd have heard from someone by now if anyone
did know anything.
Enough people with laser expertise have said they think it wasn't a
laser, at least not as you suggest, that my feeling is there must be
some other explanation. If David Fine is serious in his desire to
experiment with denim, that might shed more light. I admit to some
curiosity on that - there's a pair of jeans on my hack shelf which I
would be happy to donate to the cause of this experiment.
Christie, I do think your use of 'credulous' is too strong. Someone
without laser experience, such as myself, doesn't have the knowledge to
determine what is a reasonable expectation for heat transfer, etc. I
don't see this as a failure of personal responsibility, I see it as
someone attempting to solve a puzzle.
Rachel
Christie Dudley wrote:
> This incident/response is a great opportunity to consider
> personal responsibility. It's always easier to find ways to put the
> burden of responsibility for your problems on others, but it's exactly
> that sort of mentality that kills shared spaces like we have. While
> this is a really clear-cut example, there are many things that happen
> with the space where things are blurrier. People stepping up and
> setting aside all the accusations and posturing is the main thing
> that'll keep us alive.
>
>
> In this instance, the rationale "I didn't feel heat" motivated the
> speaker to engage in a complicated explanation of how someone else was
> responsible for their problem. Although he probably didn't realize how
> fantastical the rationalized explanation was technically, certainly
> imagining he, and only he, saw people ducking in and out of the dirty
> shop had to take some degree of credulousness, particularly with as
> crowded an event as it was.
>
> Of course, a less credulous explanation would be that it takes time for
> the heat sensation to permeate the thermal insulator of the cotton
> jeans, and if what was leaned against was hot enough (say the rework
> station that Lamont described that can get up to 800 deg) then it could
> burn right through even before they felt anything. Why lasers would
> produce no "hot" sensation when they were slowly burning through the
> jeans would be beyond me, although it certainly would be very localized.
>
>
> Besides, if the Noisebridge pranksters were going to do anything, it's
> much more fun to do silly stuff to people we know and are in a position
> to retaliate in kind. Otherwise it's just not funny. Wanton
> destruction is never funny either.
>
> Christie
> _______
> "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities.
> The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit
> to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his
> intelligence." -- Albert Einstein
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 4:57 PM, John Morgan <dr1ce315 at gmail.com
> <mailto:dr1ce315 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Sorry if you got this message twice, i reply wrong the first time i
> guess, since it was showing up as quoted text in gmail, and
> therefore not displaying it.
>
> ----
>
>
> OK, I've thought about this whole thing a lot...
>
> I could be wrong, but I can't figure out how someone would have been
> able to use extreme heat (soldering iron, or hot air) without my
> feeling it; I'm quite intolerant of pain, and slightly paranoid
> when I'm in the city (I'm from rural upstate NY originally, and
> currently live in a back-woods area of sonoma county). It really
> sucks I didn't take a picture immediately because all the lines were
> soo perfectly smooth when I first saw it. The corners were ever so
> slightly rounded, it was obviously made using a Reuleaux triangle.
> There didn't appear to be a fray at all. My first thought when I
> saw it was that I must have leaned up next to something hot, but
> there's no way I wouldn't have felt it, then I saw the slightly
> rounded edges, coupled with the burn marks, i can't see it being
> anything other than a laser. You can still see one of the rounded
> edges pretty well on the back in some of the pictures I posted...
> Sorry they weren't better, my good camera is MIA. Also, notice on
> my boxers, the holes go through the darkest portions of the material
> and not the green stripes...Here's all the relevant details that I
> can remember:
>
> I had about 3 big Lagunitas IPAs, But i'm a big guy, and drank that
> over a long period, I was far from drunk. I remember turning behind
> me one time to see someone kneeling near the floor with what I
> believe was some kind of prizm. It was glowing blueish; as soon as
> they saw I was turned around (and I mean, quick) they took off into
> the tool room. I guess I should have been more suspicious, but I
> certainly didn't except someone to be burning my ass with a laser.
> It seems I recall seeing a prizm sitting (taped?) near/to the window
> coming from the tool room, with a blueish light also coming though
> it. I was sitting near the trash bin/recycling bin, fairly close to
> the main entrance / tool room door...
>
> I was the perfect mark for many reasons, I think.. First, I was
> seated in one of those folding metal chairs, so i wasn't moving at
> all. I'm a big guy, i could be less likely to feel it due to extra
> padding, half buzzed on ripper beer. I may have been using my
> laptop at the time, lessening the chance I was going to get up or
> move suddenly. My jean are also dark in color, excellent for using
> a laser on. I was one of the closest people seated next to the tool
> room door and here's a very interesting detail... There seemed to
> be lots of people stand behind me at one point (presumably watching
> 5mof, near the beginning) and then suddenly nearly everyone had
> moved to a different spot. (I even remember thinking to myself...
> damn, i took a shower today, i can't stink that bad)
>
> Also, I remember over-hearing someone say, "I wanna see the co2 laser!"
>
> I know people saw this go down.. There was a girl and guy sitting
> in a chair almost right behind me (although they mysteriously moved
> further away too, by the end of 5mof)
>
> Fess up people, even if you didn't do it, tell us what you saw go
> down. I wanna see a 5mof on how it was done next week! I'll bring
> in my pants and you can gloat ;-)
>
> dr1ce
>
> On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Lamont Lucas <lamont at cluepon.com
> <mailto:lamont at cluepon.com>> wrote:
>
> John Morgan wrote:
>
> Here's your trophy pictures...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S423i5-DJDk
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/25605356@N08/sets/72157624190001205/
>
>
> I note that the square hole is about the size of a QFP airflow
> nozzle for the Aoyue surface mount hot air reflow station that's
> in the electronics section. Any chance you leaned against one
> of those benches?
>
> I mean, not that someone cutting your pants with a laser from a
> distance isn't an awesome story, but I wonder if you're hearing
> hoofbeats and thinking laser zebras.
>
>
>
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