[Noisebridge-discuss] Why the IRC trolls are still there [drama]

[Kelly]

I think that Jake made it very clear that he's no longer a part of the
solution on this and the only person with any sort of administrative
power that we have to look to is Andy.

I agree that it would be nice if the channel was not merely
trollsville. I might actually hang out there. The few times I've tried
have been unpleasant.

So Andy, what are the constraints of this problem, security wise, and
what solutions are you willing to consider?

-Kelly

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:51, John Menerick <john.menerick at gmail.com> wrote:
> Jake brings up valid points.
> For instance, when I found a few interesting issues and unexpected behavior
> with 4square, I immediately thought of going to #noisebridge to collaborate
> and corroborate but didn't because no one on #noisebridge is interested, in
> hacking (not the media nor US Fed. legal definition) software, services, and
> the sort.  I went to another channel to extend the hack's functionality and
> to let 4square know of their issues.
>
> John
> http://securesql.info
>
>
> On Mar 25, 2010, at 11:03 AM, alexhandy wrote:
>
> Hello. I thought this was a quite un-excellent exchange, and in the interest
> of bringing it to light, I thought I'd forward it to the list.
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: Jacob Appelbaum <jacob at appelbaum.net>
> Date: March 25, 2010 12:20:24 AM PDT
> To: alexhandy <alexhandy at gmail.com>, Leif <leif at synthesize.us>, Rubin Abdi
> <rubin at starset.net>, Andy Isaacson <adi at hexapodia.org>, Martin Bogomolni
> <martinbogo at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Noisebridge IRC trolls are back
>
> alexhandy wrote:
>
> Hey Jake, when you get a chance, can you login to Freenode and
>
> authorize some of the other members as controllers for #noisebridge?
>
> The trolls got hold of the whole channel again, when a communist ops
>
> uprising occurred.
>
> If you give leif authorization, that would be awesome, and we'd never
>
> have to bother you when this happens.
>
> I've cleared the channel and given founder status to Andy.
>
> Rubin and Leif do not use IRC securely. It is not safe to give them
> channel founder status because of this fact. When both of them have a
> secure channel of communication, not from an easy to own box, that they
> identify to the ChanServ, I'm sure someone will give them +F. I suggest
> that no one has ops anymore, I'd also suggest that when people are
> banned, people are simply banned by the channel services rather than
> individuals. Anything else simply attracts more attention to the people
> that are actually helpful.
>
> In any case, please don't ever contact me about IRC again. I find it
> utterly a waste of my time and I've been called a faggot for the last
> time by these people in my own space. This community has entirely failed
> to police itself and is largely full of losers that simply do not care
> to live a life worth emulating. I am disappointed and have grown tired
> of getting calls in the middle of the night, during films, or during
> other points of my otherwise happy life. The problem is systemic and
> unrelated to who does or does not have founding or operator status.
>
> Please do not write me back about this or anything else in the next few
> days. I have pressing issues in my life. I don't have time to deal with
> people who talk about dicks on IRC as part of their wasted lives. This
> channel takeover was only possible because the people in the channel are
> part of the problem. This probably means you unless you actually hack
> stuff and then discuss it in #noisebridge. That's what the channel was
> started for and that's certainly not what people spend their time
> talking about when I checked last. I hope but have little to no faith
> that things will turn around. Good luck creating something that works
> for all of you.
>
> Have a nice life,
> Jake
>
> P.S. I really very firmly mean that I am uninterested in emails, calls,
> or text messages on this topic. Please don't contact me about this again.
>
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