[Noisebridge-discuss] donations to noisebridge

[Ian Atha]

Agreed. I have no expectations of preserving or exclusive access to
things I leave at Noisebridge (not at my member shelf). However, my
expectation has been that I may opt to take something back assuming
it's not been destroyed or used otherwise. Is that an unrealistic
expectation?

On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 16:11, Andy Isaacson <adi at hexapodia.org> wrote:
> On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 03:45:13PM -0700, Ian Atha wrote:
>> Lastly, unless Noisebridge has offered Michael Kan a receipt for the
>> SEM, I don't think it's fair to claim it's donated.
>
> As I recall, Michael specifically requested that the SEM be granted a
> special status of not being a pure donation, but being housed at NB.  We
> discussed the request at a tuesday member's meeting early this year
> (February or something like that, or maybe even December 2009).  I
> wasn't very excited about making exceptions to the rule, but decided to
> go with it because
>
> 1. Michael has dedicated a lot of time and energy to NB and has
>   demonstrated through his actions that he has the best interests of
>   our community at heart.
>
> 2. a SEM is a pretty rare beast, offering unique capabilities that
>   advance our educational and scientific mission.
>
> 3. we agreed at the meeting that this should not set a precedent, and
>   that our preexisting consensus continues.
>
> I'll try to express that consensus (as I understand it) below:
> (and I'm sorry that I say the same thing three different ways.)
>
>> I certainly hope
>> that various gizmos I've left around at the Noisebridge are not
>> considered "donations" implicitly, and I may opt to take them away
>> from Noisebridge at any point of time.
>
> If you're leaving stuff at NB that's not a donation, please stop.
>
> Please don't leave things at Noisebridge unless either
>
>   you consider them donations.
> or
>   you keep them on your member shelf.
>
> If it's not on your shelf, you shouldn't be suprised if it gets
> destroyed while being used to construct a giant robot.  That's what
> we're here for, after all.
>
> This means
> 1. if you don't keep it on your shelf, others will expect it to be a
> donation to the space, and not to go away.
> 2. if you don't keep it on your shelf, others will expect equal access,
> and you don't get to throw a hissy fit when someone else is using the
> soldering iron to work on their trivial project while OMG MY MAKER FAIRE
> PROJECT IS GOING TO BE LATE AND I DONATED THAT IRON GIVE IT TO ME RIGHT
> NOW.
> 3. if it gets used or abused in a way that you find unacceptable, you
> get to shrug and move on with your life.  You can help others learn how
> to use things but you can't prevent them from doing things you don't
> like.
>
> Of course, common sense does apply.  Hopefully nobody will melt down
> the drill press to make a robot that kills us all.  I hope I can leave
> my laptop (screensaver-locked) on the table for a few minutes while I go
> get a burrito, without expecting to come back and find robot footprints
> all over it.  After all, we are all trying to be excellent to one
> another.
>
> But, if I leave my laptop at NB and it gets stolen, or I leave
> a priceless artwork at NB (even on my shelf) and it gets rained on, or I
> donate a soldering iron and the tip gets ruined a few days later, I have
> only myself to blame.
>
> -andy
>