[Noisebridge-discuss] call for action - Mr. Salvador/Salvator Dalajlama is back

Mon Nov 1 23:55:06 UTC 2010

I have talked to him, very directly, twice, and been brushed off or spaced
out. He knew what I was talking about and chose to ignore it.
He doesn't want to be at *noisebridge*, he wants to be somewhere for free
where he can be high.
m

On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 11:46 PM, aestetix aestetix <aestetix at gmail.com>wrote:

> For context, we've had this discussion many times, in many forms. In some
> forms, it's been ways to keep certain people, like kids or individuals, out
> of Noisebridge, or even debating setting hours of "visitation." In others,
> it's been getting awesome new tech and making sure all the members have it,
> like RFID. In others, it's been cutting off parts of Noisebridge to people
> who were not considered members, like the DJ booth/wall incident.
>
> I think all of these represent exclusion of someone who is being targeted
> for a certain amount of time, for a certain reason. So here are some of the
> things Noisebridge has done to make sure that exclusion hasn't happened:
> we've passed keys to people all over the world (thanks Mitch!), making sure
> people knew that keys are not tied to membership, but to being awesome.
> We've set the door system as a locking system that's deliberately pickable,
> to make sure that someone who doesn't have a key, but has the knowledge or
> resource to enter, is able to. We've argued against setting parts of
> Noisebridge to be locked, because every part of Noisebridge should be
> totally accessible to everyone, unless it is specifically labeled otherwise
> (such as a member's shelf or a project with a sign on it). These labels, of
> course, should be added with excellence towards others in mind.
>
> <devil's advocate viewpoint>
> Now regarding this individual, against whom it seems the mob has been
> calibrated: first, what a fucking awesome name. Salvador Dalajlama? He may
> not understand the connections made by that name, but it takes two people
> who I think are quite important and combines them. It wins creativity points
> from me.
>
> Second, I read in one of these emails that the dude scaled the fire escape
> to get in, and people are concerned enough that they're considering putting
> a lock in the sliding door or something. That guy has guts, and is creative.
> How many people have been locked out of a place and gave up after 10 minutes
> and went somewhere else? And this dude loves Noisebridge so much that he
> fucking climbed up the side of the building to get in? That's hardcore! We
> need more people willing to do crazy shit and take risks like that.
> </devil's advocate viewpoint>
>
> So, here's my actual take on it. I think there's a communication breakdown,
> where a lot people think "we" have "attempted" to "talk" to him, and
> "failed." Instead of uniting against him, why not have the community ask a
> member (of the community, not necessarily Noisebridge) who we all trust to
> take all of our ideas and have a private chat with him? That way, rather
> than having a bunch of people all hit him with complaints, we have one
> person who's filtering them all, and in the process learns this guy's
> viewpoint and maybe even forms a friendship with him. I think that would be
> much more effective than arguing about whether to exclude him or not, and it
> would be easier to connect with him that way.
>
> aestetix
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Christie Dudley <longobord at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> There's been a discussion of getting a maglock in place since we moved
>> into the building.  It'd make things easier for everyone, I think.  I can't
>> remember the exact reason that project was dropped.  I think it had
>> something to do with the cost of the system and Noisebridge not being able
>> to come up with a consensus to shell out or the landlords not being OK with
>> it or there not being power in the area to run the thing. I think all of
>> those were discussed at some point.
>>
>> HOWEVER I'd be willing to bet that this guy is NOT getting in via any QR
>> code, rotating or non-rotating keys, or any other sorts of technical
>> trickery, but rather he's either coming in when people are leaving or he has
>> his own physical key.  I'd put money on him waiting outside so he can enter
>> as others are leaving.  That's a pretty common trick amongst the homeless.
>>
>> Christie
>> _______
>> But wait... there's no FCC on the moon!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Carl Sue <theabcasian at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On the note of security hacker dojo has an rf I'd key and maglock system
>>> could this be something we can get in place, I know there has been
>>> controversy over it but perhaps now would be a good time to start talking
>>> about it, what about keeping the current buzz in but add the maglock and
>>> remove the key it would also give us a notice that the door is open and
>>> needs to be shut. on that note im guessing leaving the door open even for
>>> workshops is bad maybe we can get rid of the type that people use to hold
>>> the door open?
>>> On Oct 30, 2010 2:06 PM, "meredith scheff" <satiredun at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > If everyone on this thread tells him he's not welcome, that's a whole
>>> hell
>>> > of a lot of mojo in this guy's face.
>>> >
>>> > I, as much as I really don't like this guy, also detest the calling
>>> police
>>> > option. HOWEVER: *threatening* to call the police is just fine. I also
>>> don't
>>> > like the sign idea, it's passive aggressive, and who knows what this
>>> guy's
>>> > faculties for recognizing his own face.
>>> > Direct confrontation. Calm, direct, keep the message clear and simple.
>>> >
>>> > As for safety policies, I'm all for keeping them a bit higher, but
>>> please
>>> > don't think I mean TSA. I mean, we're in a sketchy hood, and so far we
>>> have
>>> > been adrift in a sheltered harbor of anonymity and obscurity, and that
>>> is
>>> > ending or has ended. We need to recognize that. Can we get the rotating
>>> key
>>> > back up?
>>> > I don't think we should *change* the lock, but we could lock the glass
>>> door
>>> > at night.
>>> > These items i believe are for the next meeting. I can't make this
>>> tuesday
>>> > because of prior obligations, but would love to be a part of the
>>> discussions
>>> > the meeting afterwords.
>>> >
>>> > Also, here's an idea: for membership applications, have there be a 1
>>> week
>>> > period between the end of the application and the initiation. Post that
>>> > person's name on the list or the wiki (or their moniker, or whatever)
>>> so
>>> > that folks who can't make the meeting can weigh in, as well.
>>> > I realize that doesn't actually help with the problem of random weirdos
>>> > (more weird and random than the normal) but it's an idea.
>>> >
>>> > Keep calm and carry on
>>> > Meredith
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Jonathan Lassoff <jof at thejof.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Sean Cusack <
>>> sean.p.cusack at gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> > So, can we reinforce with him that he's not welcome and maybe serve
>>> him
>>> >> up
>>> >> > an ultimatum? Something like, "hey, you know you aren't welcome here
>>> -
>>> >> > you've been told before. Its not a crash pad, or a place that things
>>> can
>>> >> be
>>> >> > taken from. So, please take off. If you can't stop coming back,
>>> we'll
>>> >> have
>>> >> > no choice but to call the cops".
>>> >>
>>> >> Personally, I really detest the idea of calling the police to get this
>>> >> guy to leave.
>>> >>
>>> >> If anything, I think this is a good chance for us to unite and look at
>>> >> our security practices for access control. For a *hacker*space of all
>>> >> things, I think our "security" at 2169 is pretty dismal (read:
>>> >> nonexistent).
>>> >>
>>> >> A couple of things I think we can start doing:
>>> >> - Ask on the intercom who is coming in
>>> >> - Remove a public QR code by the front door
>>> >> - Make sure the "key" page on pony is properly rotating its keys (it
>>> >> seems to have stopped)
>>> >> - Repair / replace the lock on the door from the stairwell and/or
>>> elevator
>>> >> gate
>>> >>
>>> >> What other things can we do to make sure we're not just letting in
>>> >> total strangers without greeting them first?
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>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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