[Noisebridge-discuss] [drama] Frantisek is going to stop living at Noisebridge starting tonight.

[girlgeek_wt]

If we decide to give Frantisek a 'night watchman' job, I recommend that 
it then becomes his responsibility to throw the SDL's out when it 
becomes clear that they are settling in for the night.

I know, there is a LOT of room for misunderstandings in such an arrangement.

-Claudia

On 11/16/2010 10:18 AM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote:
> On 11/16/2010 11:35 AM, Albert Sweigart wrote:
>> A bunch of stuff about someone specifically sleeping at Noisebridge
>>
> I gotta say - what a bummer to name Frantisek specifically on an open,
> public, archived mailing list.
>
> I agree with some of the things you've stated - though I personally do
> not care if Frantisek sleeps at Noisebridge irregularly. I guess he
> doesn't sleep there every Monday or Tuesday, rather he sleeps there when
> he doesn't have another option for whatever reason. I see this as a
> pretty class heavy discussion and it's slanted against those without
> options. If someone generally misses BART - it's acceptable because
> they're "doing the right thing" most of the time. We tolerate that
> behavior because we understand that specific problem - it's a (upper)
> middle class issue and we're sensitive to it. We've all missed a BART
> ride and it sucks to have no option for some hard ass reasons.
>
> Personally, I think it's pretty fucked up that he doesn't have other
> options; part of the general Noisebridge goal is to provide an
> alternative to the rest of the world for people in our community.
> Frantisek is part of our community and has been for quite a while. I
> wonder what will happen? Will someone step up and help him as he has
> helped the Noisebridge community? Will we change some things at
> Noisebridge to deal with a specific issue in our community that people
> care about? Or will we turn our backs and tell him to get fucked?
>
> With that said, we have long since agreed not to live in the space but I
> will personally not ask Frantisek, a member of our community, to sleep
> on the streets.
>
> I understand the principles at play and I can't fucking live with myself
> if I'm pushing him into the winter rain. I really dislike your appeal to
> economics as a reason for your lack of compassion. If you really care
> about Noisebridge and money issues, why don't you kick in some more money?
>
> I'd probably resign my fiscal sponsorship if anyone seriously made it
> "their cause" at Noisebridge to toss out Frantisek - that is the death
> of compassion; it demonstrates rigidness of mind and hardness of heart.
>
> Early on at Noisebridge, we had a few people living in the space as
> helpers. They were aware that they were guests and they did everything
> in their power to not abuse this special unnamed place in our little
> community. All of them have moved on and most of them are hard core
> Noisebridge supporters now. Win-win in my opinion.
>
> Once long ago, we discussed having an Uchi-deshi at the space or a
> hacker in residence. I propose that we make Frantisek our first
> Uchi-deshi. Generally, this is a rotating system in Aikido - I suppose
> it should be up for consensus how it would work in Noisebridge.
>
> In any case, when last I checked, Frantisek was planning to make a new
> hacker space in Mexico - I guess that means his intentions are quite
> clearly to spread Noisebridge south. So how much do we want to press
> this issue? How important is it to you?
>
> What kind of alternative are you helping to create or are you just
> calling him out by name with no real solution to the problem at hand?
>
> All the best,
> Jake
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