[Noisebridge-discuss] So, how many people live at noisebridge now?
girlgeek_wt
girlgeek at wt.net
Tue Nov 16 23:02:22 UTC 2010
Frantisek,
I think that you misunderstand.
1. I don't think that anyone objects to any of the things that you do
while vertical. Many are a big benefit to Noisebridge.
2. Things: Most of us have projects and things left. I don't think that
there are any objections to your objects. Or if there are, they can be
solved by some rearranging.
3. Sleeping at NB: Frowned upon, especially between 12 Midnight & 6AM.
There may be exceptions, but
4. Hanging out and Hacking: Excellent. I think that this is what you
call living at NB. No one else calls it that. To everyone else, that is
what NB is for!
5. Please realize that everyone seems to think highly of you.
I hope that this clarifies some.
-Claudia
On 11/16/2010 2:11 PM, Frantisek Apfelbeck wrote:
>
> Hi to All! I'm glad that we will go through that as a group. I was expecting to
> do so with a small group of members or on a member meeting first but let's take
> this road. Sleeping and Noisebridge versus Living at Noisebridge I think
> that here Al got a clear point I would add that I'm actually living at another
> two or three places in the same time (Three Stone Hearth Kitchen for example).
> I'm actually not really "sleeping at Noisebridge" even if I sometimes
> physically do so (last week way to much believe me). Sleeping may come handy but
> it's not really important to me, I can sort it out pretty easily most of the
> time. Know please let me explain what does mean to me living at Noisebridge.
> Living at Noisebridge means taking this place as part of you. Place which
> changes because of you being present, radiating your energy, making your dreams
> to come through or just hanging around having good time and bad time sometimes.
> We do this together, that is the best par. All of that can happen at this place
> because of there are so many of "you" who are however so similar and so
> different. To be more concrete. I work on projects which I believe in. I invest
> my energy, time and money to make them happen. Many people at Noisebridge think
> they should happen and they are actually helping to realize them. I certainly
> would like to make them happen in the way that I can live by/from doing them
> and I'm nearly at that stage not being even 29. I'm doing what I believe I
> should and I'm quite pretty close of doing it “my way”. It's hard bread
> sometimes to live around the bay on less than $60 per week but I do it because
> I believe in it. And it was Noisebridge who is allowing me to do that. However
> please note that the sleeping at Noisebridge is not what I really need. Nope, I
> can go for the shelter if I like, I've been there before and it's actually
> quite cool unfortunately you need quite a bit of time to sign every day in and
> you can not really work there. I go there when I need to relax but I do not
> have time! The true reason why I'm living at Noisebridge is that I can work on
> my projects learning such an incredible amount of things on all the different
> levels that it just blasts me out! All the brains and cool people being there
> for you if you ask for help or even offering a hand by themselfs, that is
> amazing. But please note you have to be physically at Noisebridge to meet them
> and to work with them - at least most of the time. So Noisebridge is a really
> amazing “think and do tank” which I'm trying to support as much as I can. My
> hungry hacker fee which I monthly pay is my major financial investment, no
> question about that but it's also the most important one. What else I do? Well
> anything what I like and I believe can contribute and several things which I do
> not like but has to be done. My major aim is to make Noisebridge as homey as
> possible for anyone who wants to be around and who is supportive of the place.
> Cooking, brewing and cleaning are just examples. And again, I do not do these
> activities to be "allowed" to stay at Noisebridge because it's against the
> rules and anyway I do not function like that. I do it because it's me, it
> happens to the places when I'm around. Yes I may sometimes be a "bitch" and
> help to keep people overlooking some things because of my "positive" impact,
> well sorry it's me too. So if we skip sleeping at Noisebridge to have it
> simple, am I not suppose to live at Noisebridge? If so why? Now parts which
> are really controversial. I need to have some of my things around because I
> work with them or I need them to function around the bay. If need to be all my
> "living" is one back pack. Am I not allowed to have it with me? If not that
> would be a problem. Yes now I've more things but they still can fit a usual
> member shelf absolutely without problem and they are clean and non toxic non
> bad odor making etc. Second, I want to spend as much of my productive time
> around Noisebridge as possible which means that I've to find a compromise with
> the community. For majority of my stay, with exception of last week and one or
> two weeks long in past my staying around was not an issue because it was not
> very frequent (to majority of the members) irregular and quite. The problem
> kind of aroused when I've started the brewing classes in particular because
> I've finished the classes around 2 or 4 am in the morning and yes I really did
> not felt like going for Golden Gate. Again please note that I actually really
> like to sleep out side on the beach or in the park (or someone garden if they do
> not mind) and I do it on regular bases because I do need that, every week and
> not because of not having place were to stay, but because of need to be
> outside. I need to be in the nature and if I stay too much around Noisebridge
> day or night it doesn't do me well so I do not want to do it (as Miloh and many
> other members now, I'm just a country boy after all - by the way Scott is
> having a really good time in Alabama). However the strain of work which I had
> lately to do was so big that I started to skip nights or getting just small
> bits of it and I would work, work and work. That is how this "controversy"
> really came up. I still do believe that you should be allowed to crash at the
> place if you work hard and this is the place were you do it. Many members
> believe that this is "unwritten rule" however some do not. Anyway I do
> believe that Al wanted to say that: sleeping at Noisebridge is not OK however
> working is fine you should not have your things all over the place making an
> impression that you live there and somebody is just sitting in "you chair" or
> "tea room" That are the major ones right? I do agree on that. What makes me
> a bit of worried is the next three brewing classes (Wednesdays) which may take
> until late, 5 min of fame late night cleaning and Thanksgiving party. For these
> days I would really like to find some solution because I'll have to stay late
> and to leave for outside late at night is not something very safe to do - if
> you stay outside you should get to your spot before 10 pm or so, that is just
> safety tip. One thing which I feel Al is wrong or I did not understood is that
> my stay in particular is a problem from the financial point of view, probably
> meaning that people are keeping out of Noisebridge. I'd like to have a serious
> discussion about that for todays meeting because I do believe that it's the
> other way around - me staying around and keeping Noisebridge at some certain
> level of cleanliness (with other people like Al, Miloh, Mike etc) keeps some
> other people out because they see from the first minute that there is actually
> “order” in the place. However it's not any excuse for sleeping at the place and
> it was never intended to be. Well I'll be looking forward for the meeting,
> Isky is my host for tonight. By the way I've got until 9th of December to stay
> in USA, I'll be leaving a bit before this date so I'll be calling for help on
> my projects soon and keeping myself really busy. Sincerely, Frantisek
> PS Concerning the help options towards me there are several. 1) support my
> activities/projects at Noisebridge if you think they should happen in a way
> which suites you, cash for the projects is always handy 2) if you have a couch
> available once per two weeks or so I would be happy to pop in sometimes, cook a
> meal, etc. 3) if you have a trouble with your back or other parts of body, I
> can give you a decent massage and contribution towards my projects are welcomed
> :-)) (or you can even stick it in to my pocket in case I've some of course).
> 4) come up with some magical solution how to get Noisebridge above $15 000
> because that is what I was working on for last many months and I'm not
> succeeding as I'd like to and I'm really sorry for that. The Thanksgiving party
> is a good oportunity to go wild!
>
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: jim<jim at systemateka.com>
> To: Frantisek Apfelbeck<algoldor at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Tue, November 16, 2010 1:47:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] So, how many people live at noisebridge now?
>
>
> I plan to get to the space around 2:30 today.
>
>
> On Tue, 2010-11-16 at 13:18 -0800, Frantisek Apfelbeck wrote:
>> Hi Jim, I'm allowed to stay until 9th of December but I plan to leave a bit
>> before. Talk to you soon,
>> Frantisek
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: jim<jim at systemateka.com>
>> To: Andy Isaacson<adi at hexapodia.org>
>> Cc: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
>> Sent: Tue, November 16, 2010 9:17:19 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] So, how many people live at noisebridge
> now?
>>
>> Treating each other excellently might mean not
>> snoring loudly in a place where people are doing
>> things. Maybe get-his-attention and say "shhhh!"
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 2010-11-16 at 08:22 -0800, Andy Isaacson wrote:
>>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 02:32:22AM -0800, Ever Falling wrote:
>>>> are we allowed to nap? are naps ok? i'm just curious.
>>> Given that -- except for our one rule -- we don't have rules (in the
>>> negative sense), we also don't have rules in the positive sense. So
>>> nobody but yourself can tell you if a given activity is "allowed" at
>>> Noisebridge.
>>>
>>> There was some annoying dude snoring on the couches most of Sunday
>>> afternoon, though.
>>>
>>> -andy
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