[Noisebridge-discuss] So, how many people live at noisebridge now?

meredith scheff satiredun at gmail.com
Tue Nov 16 23:15:00 UTC 2010 

agreed, Fran, you are excellent.

However, one person living at noisebridge- in the literal sense- would make
it seem OK for other, less awesome folks to do so. It's like the broken
window theory.
new person:'oh! there is totally this guy that everyone seems to like, and
he sleeps here ALL THE TIME. It must mean it's OK!'.

m


On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 3:02 PM, girlgeek_wt <girlgeek at wt.net> wrote:

> Frantisek,
> I think that you misunderstand.
> 1. I don't think that anyone objects to any of the things that you do
> while vertical. Many are a big benefit to Noisebridge.
> 2. Things: Most of us have projects and things left. I don't think that
> there are any objections to your objects. Or if there are, they can be
> solved by some rearranging.
> 3. Sleeping at NB: Frowned upon, especially between 12 Midnight & 6AM.
> There may be exceptions, but
> 4. Hanging out and Hacking: Excellent. I think that this is what you
> call living at NB. No one else calls it that. To everyone else, that is
> what NB is for!
> 5. Please realize that everyone seems to think highly of you.
>
> I hope that this clarifies some.
> -Claudia
>
>
> On 11/16/2010 2:11 PM, Frantisek Apfelbeck wrote:
> >
> > Hi to All! I'm glad that we will go through that as a group. I was
> expecting to
> > do so with a  small group of members or on a member meeting first but
> let's take
> > this road.   Sleeping and Noisebridge versus Living at Noisebridge   I
> think
> > that here Al got a clear point I would add that I'm actually living at
>  another
> > two or three places in the same time (Three Stone Hearth Kitchen for
>  example).
> > I'm actually not really "sleeping at Noisebridge" even if I sometimes
> > physically do so (last week way to much believe me). Sleeping may come
> handy but
> > it's not really important to me, I can sort it out pretty easily most of
> the
> > time. Know please let me explain what does mean to me living at
> Noisebridge.
> > Living at Noisebridge means taking this place as part of you. Place which
> > changes  because of you being present, radiating your energy, making your
> dreams
> > to come  through or just hanging around having good time and bad time
> sometimes.
> > We do  this together, that is the best par. All of that can happen at
> this place
> > because  of there are so many of "you" who are however so similar and so
> > different. To be  more concrete. I work on projects which I believe in. I
> invest
> > my energy, time  and money to make them happen. Many people at
> Noisebridge think
> > they should  happen and they are actually helping to realize them. I
> certainly
> > would like to  make them happen in the way that I can live by/from doing
> them
> > and I'm nearly at  that stage not being even 29. I'm doing what I believe
> I
> > should and I'm quite  pretty close of doing it “my way”. It's hard bread
> > sometimes to live around the  bay on less than $60 per week but I do it
> because
> > I believe in it. And it was  Noisebridge who is allowing me to do that.
> However
> > please note that the sleeping  at Noisebridge is not what I really need.
> Nope, I
> > can go for the shelter if I  like, I've been there before and it's
> actually
> > quite cool unfortunately you need  quite a bit of time to sign every day
> in and
> > you can not really work there. I go  there when I need to relax but I do
> not
> > have time! The true reason why I'm living  at Noisebridge is that I can
> work on
> > my projects learning such an incredible  amount of things on all the
> different
> > levels that it just blasts me out! All the  brains and cool people being
> there
> > for you if you ask for help or even offering a  hand by themselfs, that
> is
> > amazing. But please note you have to be physically at  Noisebridge to
> meet them
> > and to work with them - at least most of the time. So  Noisebridge is a
> really
> > amazing “think and do tank” which I'm trying to support  as much as I
> can. My
> > hungry hacker fee which I monthly pay is my major financial  investment,
> no
> > question about that but it's also the most important one. What  else I
> do? Well
> > anything what I like and I believe can contribute and several  things
> which I do
> > not like but has to be done. My major aim is to make  Noisebridge as
> homey as
> > possible for anyone who wants to be around and who is  supportive of the
> place.
> > Cooking, brewing and cleaning are just examples. And  again, I do not do
> these
> > activities to be "allowed" to stay at Noisebridge because  it's against
> the
> > rules and anyway I do not function like that. I do it because  it's me,
> it
> > happens to the places when I'm around. Yes I may sometimes be a  "bitch"
> and
> > help to keep people overlooking some things because of my "positive"
>  impact,
> > well sorry it's me too.    So if we skip sleeping at Noisebridge to have
> it
> > simple, am I not suppose to live  at Noisebridge? If so why?   Now parts
> which
> > are really controversial.    I need to have some of my things around
> because I
> > work with them or I need them to  function around the bay. If need to be
> all my
> > "living" is one back pack. Am I not  allowed to have it with me? If not
> that
> > would be a problem. Yes now I've more  things but they still can fit a
> usual
> > member shelf absolutely without problem and  they are clean and non toxic
> non
> > bad odor making etc. Second, I want to spend as  much of my productive
> time
> > around Noisebridge as possible which means that I've to  find a
> compromise with
> > the community. For majority of my stay, with exception of  last week and
> one or
> > two weeks long in past my staying around was not an issue  because it was
> not
> > very frequent (to majority of the members) irregular and quite.  The
> problem
> > kind of aroused when I've started the brewing classes in particular
>  because
> > I've finished the classes around 2 or 4 am in the morning and yes I
> really  did
> > not felt like going for Golden Gate. Again please note that I actually
> really
> > like to sleep out side on the beach or in the park (or someone garden if
> they do
> > not mind) and I do it on regular bases because I do need that, every week
> and
> > not  because of not having place were to stay, but because of need to be
> > outside. I  need to be in the nature and if I stay too much around
> Noisebridge
> > day or night it  doesn't do me well so I do not want to do it (as Miloh
> and many
> > other members now,  I'm just a country boy after all - by the way Scott
> is
> > having a really good time  in Alabama). However the strain of work which
> I had
> > lately to do was so big that I  started to skip nights or getting just
> small
> > bits of it and I would work, work and  work. That is how this
> "controversy"
> > really came up. I still do believe that you  should be allowed to crash
> at the
> > place if you work hard and this is the place  were you do it. Many
> members
> > believe that this is "unwritten rule" however some do  not.   Anyway I do
> > believe that Al wanted to say that:   sleeping at Noisebridge is not OK
> however
> > working is fine you should not have your  things all over the place
> making an
> > impression that you live there and somebody  is just sitting in "you
> chair" or
> > "tea room"   That are the major ones right? I do agree on that.   What
> makes me
> > a bit of worried is the next three brewing classes (Wednesdays)  which
> may take
> > until late, 5 min of fame late night cleaning and Thanksgiving  party.
> For these
> > days I would really like to find some solution because I'll have  to stay
> late
> > and to leave for outside late at night is not something very safe to  do
> - if
> > you stay outside you should get to your spot before 10 pm or so, that is
>  just
> > safety tip.   One thing which I feel Al is wrong or I did not understood
> is that
> > my stay in  particular is a problem from the financial point of view,
> probably
> > meaning that  people are keeping out of Noisebridge. I'd like to have a
> serious
> > discussion about  that for todays meeting because I do believe that it's
> the
> > other way around - me  staying around and keeping Noisebridge at some
> certain
> > level of cleanliness (with  other people like Al, Miloh, Mike etc) keeps
> some
> > other people out because they  see from the first minute that there is
> actually
> > “order” in the place. However  it's not any excuse for sleeping at the
> place and
> > it was never intended to be.   Well I'll be looking forward for the
> meeting,
> > Isky is my host for tonight.   By the way I've got until 9th of December
> to stay
> > in USA, I'll be leaving a bit  before this date so I'll be calling for
> help on
> > my projects soon and keeping  myself really busy.  Sincerely,  Frantisek
> > PS Concerning the help options towards me there are several.  1) support
> my
> > activities/projects at Noisebridge if you think they should happen  in a
> way
> > which suites you, cash for the projects is always handy   2) if you have
> a couch
> > available once per two weeks or so I would be happy to pop  in sometimes,
> cook a
> > meal, etc.  3) if you have a trouble with your back or other parts of
> body, I
> > can give you a  decent massage and contribution towards my projects are
> welcomed
> > :-)) (or you can  even stick it in to my pocket in case I've some of
> course).
> > 4) come up with some magical solution how to get Noisebridge above $15
> 000
> > because  that is what I was working on for last many months and I'm not
> > succeeding as I'd  like to and I'm really sorry for that. The
> Thanksgiving party
> > is a good oportunity  to go wild!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: jim<jim at systemateka.com>
> > To: Frantisek Apfelbeck<algoldor at yahoo.com>
> > Sent: Tue, November 16, 2010 1:47:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] So, how many people live at
> noisebridge now?
> >
> >
> > I plan to get to the space around 2:30 today.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 2010-11-16 at 13:18 -0800, Frantisek Apfelbeck wrote:
> >> Hi Jim, I'm allowed to stay until 9th of December but I plan to leave a
> bit
> >> before. Talk to you soon,
> >> Frantisek
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----
> >> From: jim<jim at systemateka.com>
> >> To: Andy Isaacson<adi at hexapodia.org>
> >> Cc: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> >> Sent: Tue, November 16, 2010 9:17:19 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] So, how many people live at
> noisebridge
> > now?
> >>
> >>     Treating each other excellently might mean not
> >> snoring loudly in a place where people are doing
> >> things. Maybe get-his-attention and say "shhhh!"
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, 2010-11-16 at 08:22 -0800, Andy Isaacson wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 02:32:22AM -0800, Ever Falling wrote:
> >>>> are we allowed to nap? are naps ok? i'm just curious.
> >>> Given that -- except for our one rule -- we don't have rules (in the
> >>> negative sense), we also don't have rules in the positive sense.  So
> >>> nobody but yourself can tell you if a given activity is "allowed" at
> >>> Noisebridge.
> >>>
> >>> There was some annoying dude snoring on the couches most of Sunday
> >>> afternoon, though.
> >>>
> >>> -andy
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