[Noisebridge-discuss] [drama] Frantisek is going to stop living at Noisebridge starting tonight.

[Ryan Rawson]

I rarely reply, but I would like to publicly thank Albert for being
truly a gentleman and a scholar on this difficult issue.  I completely
agree with both the words and the tone of your emails Albert. People
might think directly confronting the issue is "mean" but it often
takes a real "grown up" to directly confront difficult issues.

Congrats again!
-ryan


On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 4:35 PM, Albert Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:
>>   jason's right. the word "living" has a specific and
>> strong meaning in english, and is definitely not
>> appropriate to describe your time at noisebridge.
>
> I feel like I need to clarify this, because it wasn't the impression I
> wanted to give at all. Frantisek was living, as in residing, at
> Noisebridge. He did not sleep overnight every single night, but would
> do so multiple times each week and had been for months. He also
> planned to continue doing this indefinitely for his stay in the bay
> area. He kept his personal affects here and the tea room had not been
> used for much else besides his bedroom.
>
> He said in one of his emails that he did not live at Noisebridge, but
> lived at "two or three [other] places". It's really hard to see
> Noisebridge as anything but just another place he lived, even if it
> was not the only place he lived.
>
> This isn't about sleeping at Noisebridge as in taking short naps
> during the day. This isn't about sleeping at Noisebridge overnight
> because you miss the last Bart. This is about consciously planning to
> use Noisebridge as a place to spend nights on a regular basis for an
> indefinite period of time, and to do so secretly without the informing
> the general community because they would find those types of
> reoccurring overnights unexcellent if they had known about them.
>
> This completely fits the definition of living that people mean when we
> say, "we don't want people living at noisebridge".
>
> -Al
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:29 PM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
>>
>>   jason's right. the word "living" has a specific and
>> strong meaning in english, and is definitely not
>> appropriate to describe your time at noisebridge.
>>   you are living in the san francisco bay area, and
>> one cannot properly be more specific than that, given
>> your living arrangements. you are not living at
>> noisebridge. you have slept there and you're there a
>> lot. you may consider it your home as others have also
>> so claimed, but it is certainly not where you live in
>> the sense we use the term. please accommodate us native
>> speakers and don't get creative with the small words
>> to which we attach important meanings.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 20:13 +0000, Jason Dusek wrote:
>>> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 17:55, Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> > As I wrote before, the phrasing "living at Noisebridge" should
>>> > be changed to "sleeping at Noisebridge". I'm not going to
>>> > sleep at Noisebridge as I promised however I'm still going to
>>> > be around Noisebridge a whole lot. Therefore phrase that I'm
>>> > living at Noisebridge I believe is correct and I'm going to
>>> > keep using it because I really believe that the phrasing in
>>> > the headline is misleading and should not be used in the
>>> > future in reference to the general problem of people sleeping
>>> > at Noisebridge. I'm alive so I live in the places where I'm
>>> > present. I do not want to play with worlds but I really feel
>>> > that there is a major difference especially to the people who
>>> > do not really fallowed the discussion.  That is at least how I
>>> > see it.
>>>
>>>   This is not what most people mean by "living at Noisebridge".
>>>   Thanks for clarifying yourself; but I think a more standard
>>>   description of what you are doing will be better for all
>>>   concerned.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jason Dusek
>>> Linux User #510144 | http://counter.li.org/
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>>
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