[Noisebridge-discuss] [Fwd: FROM FRANTISEK Re: So, how many people live at noisebridge now?]

[jim]

Hi to All!

Just briefly from the "other camp." 

1) living at Noisebridge - nope, the place is just not made for it and it should 
not become living quarters - my opinion

2) sleeping at Noisebridge - quite pretty unpleasant and that is good, I do not 
recommend to anyone - my opinion

3) cleaning Noisebridge - I think that it should  be cleaner, that idea of 10 
min or 30 min spontaneous cleaning time sounds great! (the towels has to be 
washed for last 14 days by the way)

4) what is really annoying to me - in the last 2-3 weeks the place is not so 
much about hacking and hackers but rather chill out area and that attracts 
different sort of people I think
 

I think that if you hack hard and you work on your project there should not be a 
problem to crash from time to time (relative to everyone) for amount of time 
which you need to recharge to continue. You do not rest longer because you are 
at Noisebridge not sleeping, you are hacking and you just "unfortunately" need 
the minimum amount of sleep to be able to be more productive again. This worked 
for many creative people for months (from what I've seen), probably for years. 
These people love Noiesbridge and they need it to work this way because of all 
the brains and hacker attitude concentrated in on place. Many or majority are 
also members or highly supportive people. The problem are people who basically 
just use the place to crash. How to sort this out that is a good question. I 
would say the personal approach should be the best as was applied for example on 
me few times and changes to reach agreement were I believe done at least to some 
certain degree (because I've my vision too you know).   


So it would be great if more people who I talked to many times and who support 
"crashing fine if you work hard and you just need to be submerged" would express 
their opinion and most of all helped to keep this environment which means, 
reestablish the previous balance. I've talked to Salvator Dalajlama in person 
suggesting to sign for discussion list and being careful about being around too 
much (I was not strong enough to start the "wash me up butter cup topic yet") 
you can try your options with him or someone else.


 I'll see you all on Tuesday/Wednesday, I'm leaving for Sebastopol.

Sincerely,

Frantisek  

PS Many thanks to Glen for his post it is something which I believe has to be 
sorted and it looks like we are getting there quite pretty fast for 
Noisebridgers.




----- Original Message ----
From: jim <jim at well.com>
To: rachel lyra hospodar <rachel at mediumreality.com>
Cc: Jake <jake at spaz.org>; "noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net" 
<noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
Sent: Thu, October 21, 2010 7:50:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] So, how many people live at noisebridge now?


   you all know of the stairs by the tea room 
that go to the second floor, yes? 


On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 16:11 -0700, rachel lyra hospodar wrote:
> if there isn't signage that would be clearly visible to someone
> unfamiliar with the space, from a fire marshal's POV they don't really
> exist.  I would agree with the fire marshal in that case, since someone
> not familiar with the space, standing almost anywhere within it, would
> only know to exit through the door they used to enter.
> 
> Spaces with one entrance are limited by fire safety code to a capacity
> of 49.  All you need to do is talk to one person who has managed an
> emergency evacuation to understand why this might be a good idea.  I
> fortunately have never had to do that, but the stories i have heard are
> sobering.
> 
> my understanding of the "not an exit" exit is that there is some sort of
> lock at the bottom of the staircase, as well as maybe stored junk from
> downstairs people?  if this is not the case maybe we could talk about
> putting an exit sign back up on it, clearing all the garbage out of our
> landing, and maintaining it as a fire exit.  I would be happy to lend
> elbow grease to that endeavor, but i am no diplomat.
> 
> The west fire escape might as well not exist for all the
> climbing-over-a-foosball-table-and-overflowing-hack-shelf-crap that is
> required to access it, assuming one is pre-armed with the knowledge of
> its existence - since it has no signage at all that i am aware of.  A
> great way to start remedying this problem would be to remove the nap
> futon in that corner, clearing space for some more of our stuff to get
> stored safely, and tape or paint a keep-it-clear safety aisle leading to
> the exit.  Then we would need to put up a few regulation-approximating
> fire exit signs that would lead an errant event attendee there, like
> hansel and gretel trying to find their way through the fucking woods.
> 
> it would also be great if someone who had a pre-existing relationship
> with the fruit people could talk to them about encroaching on our main
> entrance.  it is a safety issue as well, and it would really be best to
> keep the entire gate clear in front so that crowds of people can spill
> out of it when someone's smoldering joint sets the tearoom carpet on fire.
> 
> R.
> 
> 
> On 10/21/2010 3:54 PM, Dr. Jesus wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 3:45 PM, rachel lyra hospodar
> > <rachel at mediumreality.com> wrote:
> >> On 10/21/2010 3:19 PM, Shannon Lee wrote:
> >>> It occurs to me that what the space really needs is some big red "WARNING:
> >>> BEDBUGS" signs.
> >>>
> >>> --S
> >>
> >> god, you know what we need?  exit signs.  seriously, and exits.  It's a
> >> whole nother kind of obscene that the most prominent safety exit has
> >> been decommissioned because nobody wanted to say anything to the
> >> landlord when they took it away, or that the fruit boxes keep
> >> encroaching further and further on our only recognizable exit, or that
> >> our actual fire escape is completely inaccessible.  As soon as I deal
> >> with the first aid kit, on which i have been slacking mightily, fire
> >> exits and fire safety (like the stacked milk crates of flammable
> >> petroleum products in the shop) is next on my list of Things to Examine.
> > 
> > Just to be clear, the landlord has said that we can keep things on the
> > south stairwell landing, but three feet of clearance needs to be
> > maintained at all times on the landing and throughout the stairwell
> > and to the exit.  He doesn't want us in there for any purpose other
> > than moving things around on the landing.
> > 
> > In an emergency with lots of smoke, the west fire escape is probably
> > the best bet for getting out without inhaling a lot of smoke.  The
> > small smoldering apple carton down there did a good job of filling up
> > the entire stairwell with smoke; I wouldn't want to go through that in
> > case of a real fire.
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