[Noisebridge-discuss] So, how many people live at noisebridge now?

[Rachel McConnell]

Those stairs lead to the rear of the sewing factory, and the door at the bottom is blocked. Even if it were unblocked, it is not a good fire escape because the nearest stairs that continue down are the south stairwell ones and they are not easily accessible from that part of the second floor (remember how the walls were here before we tore them down? The second floor is like that).  We are much better off treating that stair as a dead end.

Regarding non-emergency use, the landlords have asked us not to go down them to the second floor, so please nobody treat it as fun exploration and try to get through.

-Rachel

On Oct 21, 2010, at 19:50, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:

> 
>   you all know of the stairs by the tea room 
> that go to the second floor, yes? 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 16:11 -0700, rachel lyra hospodar wrote:
>> if there isn't signage that would be clearly visible to someone
>> unfamiliar with the space, from a fire marshal's POV they don't really
>> exist.  I would agree with the fire marshal in that case, since someone
>> not familiar with the space, standing almost anywhere within it, would
>> only know to exit through the door they used to enter.
>> 
>> Spaces with one entrance are limited by fire safety code to a capacity
>> of 49.  All you need to do is talk to one person who has managed an
>> emergency evacuation to understand why this might be a good idea.  I
>> fortunately have never had to do that, but the stories i have heard are
>> sobering.
>> 
>> my understanding of the "not an exit" exit is that there is some sort of
>> lock at the bottom of the staircase, as well as maybe stored junk from
>> downstairs people?  if this is not the case maybe we could talk about
>> putting an exit sign back up on it, clearing all the garbage out of our
>> landing, and maintaining it as a fire exit.  I would be happy to lend
>> elbow grease to that endeavor, but i am no diplomat.
>> 
>> The west fire escape might as well not exist for all the
>> climbing-over-a-foosball-table-and-overflowing-hack-shelf-crap that is
>> required to access it, assuming one is pre-armed with the knowledge of
>> its existence - since it has no signage at all that i am aware of.  A
>> great way to start remedying this problem would be to remove the nap
>> futon in that corner, clearing space for some more of our stuff to get
>> stored safely, and tape or paint a keep-it-clear safety aisle leading to
>> the exit.  Then we would need to put up a few regulation-approximating
>> fire exit signs that would lead an errant event attendee there, like
>> hansel and gretel trying to find their way through the fucking woods.
>> 
>> it would also be great if someone who had a pre-existing relationship
>> with the fruit people could talk to them about encroaching on our main
>> entrance.  it is a safety issue as well, and it would really be best to
>> keep the entire gate clear in front so that crowds of people can spill
>> out of it when someone's smoldering joint sets the tearoom carpet on fire.
>> 
>> R.
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/21/2010 3:54 PM, Dr. Jesus wrote:
>>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 3:45 PM, rachel lyra hospodar
>>> <rachel at mediumreality.com> wrote:
>>>> On 10/21/2010 3:19 PM, Shannon Lee wrote:
>>>>> It occurs to me that what the space really needs is some big red "WARNING:
>>>>> BEDBUGS" signs.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --S
>>>> 
>>>> god, you know what we need?  exit signs.  seriously, and exits.  It's a
>>>> whole nother kind of obscene that the most prominent safety exit has
>>>> been decommissioned because nobody wanted to say anything to the
>>>> landlord when they took it away, or that the fruit boxes keep
>>>> encroaching further and further on our only recognizable exit, or that
>>>> our actual fire escape is completely inaccessible.  As soon as I deal
>>>> with the first aid kit, on which i have been slacking mightily, fire
>>>> exits and fire safety (like the stacked milk crates of flammable
>>>> petroleum products in the shop) is next on my list of Things to Examine.
>>> 
>>> Just to be clear, the landlord has said that we can keep things on the
>>> south stairwell landing, but three feet of clearance needs to be
>>> maintained at all times on the landing and throughout the stairwell
>>> and to the exit.  He doesn't want us in there for any purpose other
>>> than moving things around on the landing.
>>> 
>>> In an emergency with lots of smoke, the west fire escape is probably
>>> the best bet for getting out without inhaling a lot of smoke.  The
>>> small smoldering apple carton down there did a good job of filling up
>>> the entire stairwell with smoke; I wouldn't want to go through that in
>>> case of a real fire.
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