[Noisebridge-discuss] call for action - Mr. Salvador/Salvator Dalajlama is back

[Mitch Altman]

Salvador Dali Lama will get in to NB if he wants to -- with or without a key or card system.  Some people are very resourceful.
 
Using this as an opportunity to talk about security is totally fine.
 
For the situation at hand:  though it's not easy, if Salvador Dali Lama (or anyone) is being so unexcellent that you feel he is a serious problem, then please tell him.  If enough individuals tell Salvador Dali Lama that they don't want him around Noisebridge, he will very likely soon be on his way.  It takes quite the sociopath to want to continue to be around a place where they are not wanted.  Salvador Dali Lama might be a leech, and very annoying to some, but I don't sense that he the sort who likes people to not like him.  I'll certainly talk to him if I see him again, and add my voice to the others who will let him know he isn't welcome at NB because of behaviors people have experienced from him.
 
Mitch.
 
 


Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 14:57:26 -0700
From: longobord at gmail.com
To: theabcasian at gmail.com
CC: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] call for action - Mr. Salvador/Salvator Dalajlama is back

There's been a discussion of getting a maglock in place since we moved into the building.  It'd make things easier for everyone, I think.  I can't remember the exact reason that project was dropped.  I think it had something to do with the cost of the system and Noisebridge not being able to come up with a consensus to shell out or the landlords not being OK with it or there not being power in the area to run the thing. I think all of those were discussed at some point.


HOWEVER I'd be willing to bet that this guy is NOT getting in via any QR code, rotating or non-rotating keys, or any other sorts of technical trickery, but rather he's either coming in when people are leaving or he has his own physical key.  I'd put money on him waiting outside so he can enter as others are leaving.  That's a pretty common trick amongst the homeless.


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On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Carl Sue <theabcasian at gmail.com> wrote:


On the note of security hacker dojo has an rf I'd key and maglock system could this be something we can get in place, I know there has been controversy over it but perhaps now would be a good time to start talking about it, what about keeping the current buzz in but add the maglock and remove the key it would also give us a notice that the door is open and needs to be shut. on that note im guessing leaving the door open even for workshops is bad maybe we can get rid of the type that people use to hold the door open?

On Oct 30, 2010 2:06 PM, "meredith scheff" <satiredun at gmail.com> wrote:



> If everyone on this thread tells him he's not welcome, that's a whole hell
> of a lot of mojo in this guy's face.
> 
> I, as much as I really don't like this guy, also detest the calling police
> option. HOWEVER: *threatening* to call the police is just fine. I also don't
> like the sign idea, it's passive aggressive, and who knows what this guy's
> faculties for recognizing his own face.
> Direct confrontation. Calm, direct, keep the message clear and simple.
> 
> As for safety policies, I'm all for keeping them a bit higher, but please
> don't think I mean TSA. I mean, we're in a sketchy hood, and so far we have
> been adrift in a sheltered harbor of anonymity and obscurity, and that is
> ending or has ended. We need to recognize that. Can we get the rotating key
> back up?
> I don't think we should *change* the lock, but we could lock the glass door
> at night.
> These items i believe are for the next meeting. I can't make this tuesday
> because of prior obligations, but would love to be a part of the discussions
> the meeting afterwords.
> 
> Also, here's an idea: for membership applications, have there be a 1 week
> period between the end of the application and the initiation. Post that
> person's name on the list or the wiki (or their moniker, or whatever) so
> that folks who can't make the meeting can weigh in, as well.
> I realize that doesn't actually help with the problem of random weirdos
> (more weird and random than the normal) but it's an idea.
> 
> Keep calm and carry on
> Meredith
> 
> 
> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Jonathan Lassoff <jof at thejof.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Sean Cusack <sean.p.cusack at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > So, can we reinforce with him that he's not welcome and maybe serve him
>> up
>> > an ultimatum? Something like, "hey, you know you aren't welcome here -
>> > you've been told before. Its not a crash pad, or a place that things can
>> be
>> > taken from. So, please take off. If you can't stop coming back, we'll
>> have
>> > no choice but to call the cops".
>>
>> Personally, I really detest the idea of calling the police to get this
>> guy to leave.
>>
>> If anything, I think this is a good chance for us to unite and look at
>> our security practices for access control. For a *hacker*space of all
>> things, I think our "security" at 2169 is pretty dismal (read:
>> nonexistent).
>>
>> A couple of things I think we can start doing:
>> - Ask on the intercom who is coming in
>> - Remove a public QR code by the front door
>> - Make sure the "key" page on pony is properly rotating its keys (it
>> seems to have stopped)
>> - Repair / replace the lock on the door from the stairwell and/or elevator
>> gate
>>
>> What other things can we do to make sure we're not just letting in
>> total strangers without greeting them first?
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