[Noisebridge-discuss] call for action - Mr. Salvador/Salvator Dalajlama is back

Sun Oct 31 06:46:38 UTC 2010

For context, we've had this discussion many times, in many forms. In some
forms, it's been ways to keep certain people, like kids or individuals, out
of Noisebridge, or even debating setting hours of "visitation." In others,
it's been getting awesome new tech and making sure all the members have it,
like RFID. In others, it's been cutting off parts of Noisebridge to people
who were not considered members, like the DJ booth/wall incident.

I think all of these represent exclusion of someone who is being targeted
for a certain amount of time, for a certain reason. So here are some of the
things Noisebridge has done to make sure that exclusion hasn't happened:
we've passed keys to people all over the world (thanks Mitch!), making sure
people knew that keys are not tied to membership, but to being awesome.
We've set the door system as a locking system that's deliberately pickable,
to make sure that someone who doesn't have a key, but has the knowledge or
resource to enter, is able to. We've argued against setting parts of
Noisebridge to be locked, because every part of Noisebridge should be
totally accessible to everyone, unless it is specifically labeled otherwise
(such as a member's shelf or a project with a sign on it). These labels, of
course, should be added with excellence towards others in mind.

<devil's advocate viewpoint>
Now regarding this individual, against whom it seems the mob has been
calibrated: first, what a fucking awesome name. Salvador Dalajlama? He may
not understand the connections made by that name, but it takes two people
who I think are quite important and combines them. It wins creativity points
from me.

Second, I read in one of these emails that the dude scaled the fire escape
to get in, and people are concerned enough that they're considering putting
a lock in the sliding door or something. That guy has guts, and is creative.
How many people have been locked out of a place and gave up after 10 minutes
and went somewhere else? And this dude loves Noisebridge so much that he
fucking climbed up the side of the building to get in? That's hardcore! We
need more people willing to do crazy shit and take risks like that.
</devil's advocate viewpoint>

So, here's my actual take on it. I think there's a communication breakdown,
where a lot people think "we" have "attempted" to "talk" to him, and
"failed." Instead of uniting against him, why not have the community ask a
member (of the community, not necessarily Noisebridge) who we all trust to
take all of our ideas and have a private chat with him? That way, rather
than having a bunch of people all hit him with complaints, we have one
person who's filtering them all, and in the process learns this guy's
viewpoint and maybe even forms a friendship with him. I think that would be
much more effective than arguing about whether to exclude him or not, and it
would be easier to connect with him that way.

aestetix

On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Christie Dudley <longobord at gmail.com>wrote:

> There's been a discussion of getting a maglock in place since we moved into
> the building.  It'd make things easier for everyone, I think.  I can't
> remember the exact reason that project was dropped.  I think it had
> something to do with the cost of the system and Noisebridge not being able
> to come up with a consensus to shell out or the landlords not being OK with
> it or there not being power in the area to run the thing. I think all of
> those were discussed at some point.
>
> HOWEVER I'd be willing to bet that this guy is NOT getting in via any QR
> code, rotating or non-rotating keys, or any other sorts of technical
> trickery, but rather he's either coming in when people are leaving or he has
> his own physical key.  I'd put money on him waiting outside so he can enter
> as others are leaving.  That's a pretty common trick amongst the homeless.
>
> Christie
> _______
> But wait... there's no FCC on the moon!
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Carl Sue <theabcasian at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On the note of security hacker dojo has an rf I'd key and maglock system
>> could this be something we can get in place, I know there has been
>> controversy over it but perhaps now would be a good time to start talking
>> about it, what about keeping the current buzz in but add the maglock and
>> remove the key it would also give us a notice that the door is open and
>> needs to be shut. on that note im guessing leaving the door open even for
>> workshops is bad maybe we can get rid of the type that people use to hold
>> the door open?
>> On Oct 30, 2010 2:06 PM, "meredith scheff" <satiredun at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > If everyone on this thread tells him he's not welcome, that's a whole
>> hell
>> > of a lot of mojo in this guy's face.
>> >
>> > I, as much as I really don't like this guy, also detest the calling
>> police
>> > option. HOWEVER: *threatening* to call the police is just fine. I also
>> don't
>> > like the sign idea, it's passive aggressive, and who knows what this
>> guy's
>> > faculties for recognizing his own face.
>> > Direct confrontation. Calm, direct, keep the message clear and simple.
>> >
>> > As for safety policies, I'm all for keeping them a bit higher, but
>> please
>> > don't think I mean TSA. I mean, we're in a sketchy hood, and so far we
>> have
>> > been adrift in a sheltered harbor of anonymity and obscurity, and that
>> is
>> > ending or has ended. We need to recognize that. Can we get the rotating
>> key
>> > back up?
>> > I don't think we should *change* the lock, but we could lock the glass
>> door
>> > at night.
>> > These items i believe are for the next meeting. I can't make this
>> tuesday
>> > because of prior obligations, but would love to be a part of the
>> discussions
>> > the meeting afterwords.
>> >
>> > Also, here's an idea: for membership applications, have there be a 1
>> week
>> > period between the end of the application and the initiation. Post that
>> > person's name on the list or the wiki (or their moniker, or whatever) so
>> > that folks who can't make the meeting can weigh in, as well.
>> > I realize that doesn't actually help with the problem of random weirdos
>> > (more weird and random than the normal) but it's an idea.
>> >
>> > Keep calm and carry on
>> > Meredith
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Jonathan Lassoff <jof at thejof.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Sean Cusack <sean.p.cusack at gmail.com
>> >
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > So, can we reinforce with him that he's not welcome and maybe serve
>> him
>> >> up
>> >> > an ultimatum? Something like, "hey, you know you aren't welcome here
>> -
>> >> > you've been told before. Its not a crash pad, or a place that things
>> can
>> >> be
>> >> > taken from. So, please take off. If you can't stop coming back, we'll
>> >> have
>> >> > no choice but to call the cops".
>> >>
>> >> Personally, I really detest the idea of calling the police to get this
>> >> guy to leave.
>> >>
>> >> If anything, I think this is a good chance for us to unite and look at
>> >> our security practices for access control. For a *hacker*space of all
>> >> things, I think our "security" at 2169 is pretty dismal (read:
>> >> nonexistent).
>> >>
>> >> A couple of things I think we can start doing:
>> >> - Ask on the intercom who is coming in
>> >> - Remove a public QR code by the front door
>> >> - Make sure the "key" page on pony is properly rotating its keys (it
>> >> seems to have stopped)
>> >> - Repair / replace the lock on the door from the stairwell and/or
>> elevator
>> >> gate
>> >>
>> >> What other things can we do to make sure we're not just letting in
>> >> total strangers without greeting them first?
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