[Noisebridge-discuss] Anti-piracy / anti-Pirate Bay law currently in Congress

[Thomas Stowe]

The day someone makes a darknet into an easy-to-use tool without dumping 2+
gigs of pure crap on your hard drive just to participate as a leeching user
it as a requirement and make it a smooth process to install and use, maybe
people will start using it. As it stands, it relies upon people willing to
store data much like running Tor services. Being part of a small network is
like being a park of a tiny private tracker, it can work and it can be
infiltrated if it gets bigger. Bigger trackers and file sharing sites draw
attention.

No, I don't really care about line breaks. I don't plan on re-reading this
and my hands hurt from arthritis, so... yeah. And though just like with
forums, you're not responsible for what's on your hard drive if you don't
know what it is, though if they can prove that you're on a private darknet
that trades only pirated files and you are hosting that and they decrypt
it's up to the judge and legal system, it's just something we haven't seen
yet. With money and a good lawyer you could probably get off for that, but
who knows. You can also be hassled if it's decrypted enough that while you
probably won't do much jail-time, you will end up having legal fees which is
a pain by itself and enough of a deterrent to keep many away. I imagine that
darknets will be interesting to watch develop in the future and if something
like Direct Connect moves toward better model than it exists currently it
might work somewhat well and for many people rather than just a few that are
technically savvy and know a group of people willing to invite them in. I
guesstimate by 2015 we'll have anti-piracy laws in the US that'll be kind of
scary like France's "three strikes" law.



On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 11:47 PM, Matt Joyce <matt at nycresistor.com> wrote:

>
> http://www.theonion.com/articles/nation-shudders-at-large-block-of-uninterrupted-te,16932/
>
> Also, nothing illegal about darknets.
>
> ChaosVPN has the tinc developers involved and has custom code written by
> participants.
>
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Ryan Castellucci <
> ryan.castellucci at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Thomas Stowe <stowe.thomas at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > There's a bit of an educated guess that I agree with that Tor is
>> > compromised. The Navy was doing stuff with it and then there were some
>> > documents leaked to wikileaks because of an exit-point exploit and I'd
>> > hazard to guess that anyone after that would've used the power of
>> authority
>> > to cause the EFF and others to put backdoors in their privacy software
>> and
>> > also full access to source. There are a few softwares like JAP
>> (Jondonym)
>> > that have been required to put a backdoor in that can be activated with
>> a
>> > warrant. Given the FBI's history of illegal wiretaps and overzealous
>> > behavior of companies hired to track down piracy sites and large groups
>> of
>> > pirates I'd hazard to guess that Tor, VyprVPN, HideMyAss and everything
>> else
>> > is compromised. This guess gives me enough pause that I'd suggest that
>> you
>> > don't do anything stupid that you're afraid to get caught doing, ever.
>> If
>> > you can find a fool-proof anonymity plan, it's going to be illegal.
>> Almost
>> > all ways to get high speed Internet access anonymously are illegal and
>> if
>> > you do something via Tor, they're essentially going to go after the
>> > exit-point's owner which is another Tor user offering anonymity services
>> so
>> > not only are you doing something stupid but you're putting the blame on
>> > someone else for what you did. There've been cases of Child Porn
>> > investigations and raids on innocent people because they were running
>> Tor
>> > servers who almost faced jail time and spent thousands of dollars
>> defending
>> > themselves in court and by that time they'd been in jail and on
>> television
>> > for being a sex offender interested in child porn. Don't be a douchebag,
>> use
>> > your own IP, whether you were issued it by your ISP or you buy it. If
>> you
>> > government or ISP blocks torrents, use a service that condones torrent
>> usage
>> > and don't "chance" screwing someone else's life up. Torrent "Seedboxes"
>> can
>> > still be purchased that will enable you to get all of your torrents
>> faster,
>> > anyhow. If you're too poor to pay for a seedbox or anonymity service,
>> save
>> > your money. If not, you're pretty much a scared human being who I have 0
>> > respect for and if others understand exactly what you're doing to Tor
>> users,
>> > they will see you as a scared little person who doesn't care if they
>> screw
>> > others lives up. I hope that you folks take this into consideration. I
>> know
>> > about these technologies because I've used them in the past. I don't
>> condone
>> > piracy but if you're going to do it, don't give the EFF a bad name and
>> that
>> > goes doubly so to the people kind enough to offer their computers, time
>> and
>> > bandwidth to tor. Think back to the lady talking about the courts'
>> > understanding of technologies and the Internet. Is a judge going to
>> > understand that it was one of the people you offer anonymity services
>> to?
>> > I'd suggest that those of you who care about your future shut down tor
>> exit
>> > nodes that you run, but only because there's shitty people out there who
>> > don't care if you go to jail because of their actions.
>>
>> Ye gods, have ye not heard of line breaks?
>>
>> Services can be run internally within tor that don't have the exit
>> point weakness
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.onion
>>
>> --
>> Ryan Castellucci http://ryanc.org/
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