[Noisebridge-discuss] Shelter and housing, jorgen and drama

[rachel lyra hospodar]

> Maybe the
> real thing we should be doing is having regular How To Deal WIth
> Interpersonal Conflict classes.

we do have them.

it's tuesday meeting.

over my years at noisebridge i have watched people (and had it happen to
myself) increase their interpersonal social skills by engaging with the
consensus process.

this is why, when consensus was that rob2.0 was problematic, the
solution was not an outright ban, but one that asked him to engage, and
come to a meeting or reach out to a proxy.

that is honestly why i choose to engage with occupy - because i believe
in the power of consensus process to raise the emotional intelligence of
the people involved.  Noisebridge community provided Jorgen with a safe
space to sleep and blankets to sleep under at the occupy.  He chooses
not to use them.

it has been months since i have seen jorgen sober.  i have known a lot
of alcoholics and i am not interested in enabling that behavior.  if i
felt like i would be effective at staging an intervention right now,
there is someone else in my life who i would need to do that for, who is
far more important to me.

the problem i am bringing to the community is that i am starting to feel
like noisebridge is not a productive space for me to come and work on my
projects, and i am starting to feel sketched out about being there at night.

i am open to solutions proposed by the community, but i did not get
involved with noisebridge to do homeless outreach.  i engage with the
city's homeless problem in the ways that i feel are appropriate, and
that is not the dialogue i am primarily interested in having here.  i am
interested in a dialogue about how to protect noisebridge as a safe
space to work on projects, as relates to this specific case.

R.

On 12/6/2011 3:25 PM, Shannon Lee wrote:
> What should happen then, Joseph?  Who should do what, exactly?
> 
> Dealing with interpersonal conflict constructively has not, in the past,
> been one of Noisebridge's strengths.  I think that the big issue with
> all the solutions put forward so far is that they all basically require
> us, as a group, to be better at dealing with assholes than we actually are.
> 
> Noisebridge is a group of people whose principal identity is as people
> who solve problems; as such, we've got a very strong tradition of having
> people solve their own problems.  Avoiding confrontation and just
> wishing someone would go away and leave you alone is the opposite of
> solving problems.
> 
> One of the ways we get away with not having a Staff or Rules or
> Enforcement Mechanisms is by pushing responsibility for solving problems
> out onto the people actually present when problems happen.  Maybe the
> real thing we should be doing is having regular How To Deal WIth
> Interpersonal Conflict classes.
> 
> --S
> 
> 
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Joseph Brenner <doomvox at gmail.com
> <mailto:doomvox at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Rubin Abdi <rubin at starset.net <mailto:rubin at starset.net>> wrote:
> 
>     > It might be a good idea for him to talk with the people he's majorly
>     > pissed off and figure out some resolution
> 
>     Um... if you've been annoyed by a drunk, that last thing you want is
>     to have people pressuring you to have some sort of Serious Discussion
>     with the bozo.  What you typically want is for the idiot to just leave
>     you the fuck alone.
> 
>     My apologies if I'm projecting my own attitudes here, but really,
>     don't make the problem worse by bugging the victim any further.
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