[Noisebridge-discuss] Shelter and housing

[gnnr]

Hey,

It's always good to discuss it face to face. If you think you'll get out of hand,
you can ask a neutral party to sit in, and help you work through the issues.

If this process doesn't solve the problem, then take it to a meeting and see
what happens.

Gavin

On Dec 6, 2011, at 3:38 PM, Rubin Abdi wrote:

> Joseph Brenner wrote, On 2011-12-06 14:33:
>> Um... if you've been annoyed by a drunk, that last thing you want is
>> to have people pressuring you to have some sort of Serious Discussion
>> with the bozo.  What you typically want is for the idiot to just leave
>> you the fuck alone.
> 
> Funny story (well not really but it seems note worthy here):
> 
> About a year or so ago I was at Noisebridge late one night. Drinking,
> not drinking, drunk or sober, who really remembers. I was extremely
> annoyed with the amount of shit people were pack ratting on the
> hackshelf. We had all these shit SCSI under 20GB drives for about a year
> sitting around. Every time I wanted to just simply toss them into the
> recycling people would stop me and say they were good and someone should
> do something with them eventually. No one did, and I was wondering what
> sound a hard drive would make being thrown out of the side of a 3rd
> floor build onto the sidewalk.
> 
> I grabbed one, went outside onto the fire escape, waited for a moment
> when no one was anywhere remotely near by on the sidewalk (it was like 4
> in the morning) and in my infinite wisdom tossed the drive off into the
> void that is Mission street.
> 
> John M was leaving Noisebridge shortly there after, noticed a hard drive
> outside in front of our gate, picked it up and noticed the drive on the
> ground with a dent on one of the corners, remembered that there was some
> intoxicated commotion leading up to the fire escape a few minutes before
> he left. He started to walk home, then turned around and came back up to
> Noisebridge, and very much had a problem with me for being a completely
> out of line jerk. Things got heated, he got more annoyed with me, I got
> angry at him for saying certain words to me, said he would bring up my
> actions at the next meeting and have me removed from the space because
> all this crap I've done is bull shit and left.
> 
> A couple of days later John M and I traded some emails, we agreed that
> we were kind of hot headed during that night, I apologized for what I
> was doing and he said he was sorry for yelling at me. We met up in
> person and talked about it more, and said more sorries about the whole
> thing.
> 
> Since then we totally are ok with being in the same place, working
> together, and generally being good folks around each other. If we
> weren't both willing to talk about the problems we encountered that
> particular night where I like a drunken asshole did something that
> pissed someone off, we would most likely have a very awkward co-working
> hacker relationship while in the same space. Who knows, I could have
> finally gotten my dream of being banned from the space if we didn't have
> a little bit of a cool off period and allowed some conflict resolution
> to happen.
> 
>> My apologies if I'm projecting my own attitudes here, but really,
>> don't make the problem worse by bugging the victim any further.
> 
> I've never had a bad interactions with Jörgen, and I think he's
> generally a reasonable guy. It sucks he did some unexcellent stuff, but
> in all honesty ignoring that he's still a human being and a member of
> our space by shunning away from rational conflict resolution, going
> straight to a meeting where the community talks about all of the bad
> stuff so and so person did without even inviting the guy getting mud
> slinged at him, I feel is even more unexcellent.
> 
> Rachel's description of the night sounds like a horrible thing, and I'm
> really sorry she had to deal with all that suck in a bucket. I don't
> find her to be a "victim" in any sense other than she had to deal with
> some bull shit when she was being a reasonable person. I think that her
> initial message in this thread is totally appropriate, but I'm simply
> asking if anyone has attempted to reached out to the person being a
> problem and kindly pointed out what he did fucking sucks and was
> provided an avenue to respond back to that? And I'm not trying to defend
> Jörgen here either, I signed off on his membership form as a sponsor so
> I feel a slight bit like I failed as a member of this community.
> 
> However what I want to push for is having the group work on things like
> this as a bunch of hackers with good conflict resolution and problem
> solving skills, and not turn into a witch hunt where the first community
> response is to immediately shun out the primary person you want to
> include in on such efforts, especially well before anyone's put in
> effort to work this out on a smaller more manageable and reasonable levl.
> 
> I could be wrong and totally ignoring emails I've had my mail client
> automagically mark as read that detail out such one on one reaching outs
> and conflict resolutions, and that we are in fact at "the last straw"
> and the only way we could ever fix this is to have an entire community
> push someone we brought in back out for being totally unreasonable and
> unresponsive to our efforts to resolve conflict with.
> 
> In the end the hard drive made a very unsatisfying thud sound, but the
> way John M and I ultimately handled ourselves made me happy that within
> this community we have some very reasonable (though at times hot headed,
> like myself) hackers.
> 
> -- 
> Rubin
> rubin at starset.net
> 
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