[Noisebridge-discuss] Missing Green Bike /w Red Grips.
jim
jim at systemateka.com
Thu Feb 3 16:38:09 UTC 2011
now as in the future we will all experience
such teaching/learning moments where we see real
human dynamics at work and can ponder them
together, revisiting the raw data with new eyes.
we wouldn't have such opportunities if we
had rules.
On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 01:40 -0800, Albert Sweigart wrote:
> We don't have a rule against desktops, because Noisebridge doesn't
> have any rules. We don't have a rule against tossing a desktop into
> the scrap fabric bin, because Noisebridge doesn't have any rules.
>
> It's odd that Shannon thinks keeping your desktop at the space should
> be discouraged, but that Rachel thinks its okay. They've both been
> active and engaged members of Noisebridge for a long time. They, if
> anyone, should know what is excellent or unexcellent behavior. But
> they don't agree in this case, even though it seems like a fairly
> straightforward matter. A lot of discussion will be generated from
> this event (and probably labeled "drama"), but no actual decisions one
> way or the other will be made, because Noisebridge doesn't have any
> rules.
>
> It seems to me that if we had a "don't keep your personal computers in
> the space" rule OR a "people are allowed to keep their personal
> computers in the space" rule, it would really clear up the confusion
> on this issue and prevent a lot of drama. But Noisebridge doesn't have
> any rules. And the consensus process (or at least, the way we practice
> it) actively discourages people from even bringing up issues to be
> decided on. Whether you want to bring "don't keep computers at NB" or
> "it's okay to keep computers at NB" up for consensus, someone will
> block it.
>
> And people know this. Which is why they don't even bother to bring
> anything up for consensus. This is our "radical inclusiveness".
>
> So then some asshole pulls a passive-aggressive stunt like this. It
> isn't really all that cynical to call this "do-acracy" in its purest
> form. And we can expect this to happen every few months, because
> Noisebridge doesn't have any rules.
>
> How many ages hence shall this our lofty scene be acted over, in
> states unborn and accents yet unknown?
>
> -Al
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 6:38 PM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > the people who populate noisebridge are a bunch of
> > interleaved social circles. there's no ring to rule
> > them all others.
> > i haven't heard of a no desktops policy. i have
> > heard of a you-have-to-label-your-tools policy that
> > seems to me to be respected more often than not.
> > i don't have a problem with Isky setting up his
> > computer somewhere. i know he's been sharing it with
> > pretty much anyone who needs or wants to use a
> > computer, even once in a while at the time that he,
> > isky, wants to use it (isky comes in, sees someone's
> > using his computer, they have a brief chat, both
> > bobbing and ducking politely, then isky leaves saying
> > go ahead, he'll come back later).
> > seems to me that isky and his computer are in the
> > spirit of noisebridge (and that's what's important,
> > right?).
> >
> > as to "asshole", it's an asshole prank. if the
> > "person" doesn't like isky's computer there, then the
> > "person" should tell isky, not hide his box.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 2011-02-02 at 17:31 -0800, Shannon Lee wrote:
> >> I think it's also not OK to bring in your own personal desktop
> >> computer to noisebridge and stake out a spot in the classrooms. We've
> >> had a long-standing no-desktops policy. Additionally, it's generally
> >> accepted that if you bring something to Noisebridge and leave it in a
> >> public space for any length of time longer than it takes to, eg, eat a
> >> meal, it's a donation, and you should expect it to be turned into a
> >> giant robot.
> >>
> >>
> >> I didn't touch the thing, but I don't think that the person who did
> >> should automatically be assumed to be an asshole.
> >>
> >>
> >> --S
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 5:15 PM, rachel lyra hospodar
> >> <rachelyra at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I found isky's computer. Some asshole thought it would be
> >> funny to hide it in a pile of fabric.
> >>
> >> Yes, I said asshole. In person I swear like a sailor but on
> >> the archived internet I try to talk more formally. However, I
> >> think that taking & hiding someone's things to be funny not
> >> only isn't, it makes you a fucking jerk.
> >>
> >> mediumreality.com
> >>
> >>
> >> On Feb 2, 2011 3:01 PM, "Frantisek Apfelbeck"
> >> <algoldor at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > Hi to all!
> >> > Computer missing first, bicycle few days later on. That is
> >> very, very uncommon
> >> > for Noisebridge. I think that we should pay attention to
> >> this, because one of
> >> > the virtues of Noisebridge is that things are generally
> >> missing within the space
> >> > but not leaving it. I would like to ask to fallow this and
> >> it would be nice if
> >> > Isky and others could report on the development in days to
> >> come, this should be
> >> > sorted out. I believe that this is important. It may be a
> >> sign which we should
> >> > not overlook. What do you think? It is a bit hard to feel
> >> the atmosphere at
> >> > distance.
> >> >
> >> > Sincerely,
> >> >
> >> > Frantisek
> >> >
> >> > PS Check out that that giant robot is not a bit more mobile
> >> now, just to be sure
> >> > ...
> >> >
> >> > Message: 17
> >> > Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 23:44:26 -0800
> >> > From: Isky Wordsworth <dejaepu at gmail.com>
> >> > Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Missing Green Bike /w Red
> >> Grips.
> >> > To: noisebridge-discuss
> >> <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
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> >> >
> >> > Has anybody seen my bike? His name is Christ. Now he's
> >> missing too.
> >> > Dissapeared today or yesterday. He's of rather crucial
> >> > functional/sentimental value to me.
> >> > If someone donated him away that's ok but tell me now so I
> >> can go find him.
> >> > None of the people who occasionally borrow him (because he's
> >> a common bike
> >> > when i leave him here) know where he is.
> >> > Did someone take/borrow/throw him out?
> >> > Please email me if you know his whereabouts. I really need
> >> him back soon.
> >> > He was in rack slot 3 or 4 when he was taken. My Ulock was
> >> left on the
> >> > floor.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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> >>
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