[Noisebridge-discuss] personal computers at Noisebridge (was Re: Missing Green Bike /w Red Grips.)

jim jim at well.com
Thu Feb 3 17:34:09 UTC 2011

    i think you may be mistaken on a couple or three 
* isky exercising owner's priority: i've seen him 
  defer to others. 
* no one asks isky for permission, not that i've seen. 
* that ruben and several others croak out their ideas 
  is fine and should be considered. there are others, 
  both "old" and "new" who also have ideas. we seem 
  to agree on (and avoid as much as possible) the 
  convention of consensus, and at least agree on the 
  one rule of "be excellent to each other". 
* isky labels his stuff, as some have suggested, not 
  necessarily as his pee mark on the space or equipment. 
* isky also shares his bike with others. seems 
  "excellent" that others who take or move his bike 
  do so in a way that doesn't provoke anxiety--i.e. 
  leave a note or say something to an appropriate 
* seems to me we must tolerate each other at a minimum. 
  there should be no requirement that anyone mix with 
  any others, not even an expectation. come and do your 
  thing, be happy, allow other stuff to go on too, 
  whatever is the other stuff. be mindful of survival 
  (no illegal drug activity, no booze to minors, no 
  hacking the infrastructure contrary to city codes, 
  chip in money for the rent...). 

On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 09:15 -0800, Patrick Keys wrote:
> The distinction is that Quagga is a public computer that belongs to 
> Noisebridge. Isky's computer is Isky's personal computer to exercise 
> "owners priority" over.  Nobody should have to ask permission to use a 
> public computer in a public hackerspace.  To repeat what Ruben and 
> several others told me before: you don't loan stuff to Noisebridge.  You 
> either donate it or put it away when you're not using it.
> If it were a laptop that could be easily moved, that'd be one thing. 
> Many people leave their laptops and netbooks at Noisebridge all the 
> time.  When they are in the way, people just move them aside.
> But what Isky's done is put his personal gaming computer on a desk, 
> accompanied by a note that it belongs to him, effectively declaring that 
> space as his personal territory.  It's not Isky's personal office.  It's 
> public Noisebridge space.  Same deal with the bike: he leaves his 
> personal bike up at Noisebridge, taking up public space, and then gets 
> upset when somebody moves it.
> Regardless of his intent - and I don't necessarily think Isky has bad 
> intentions... that Isky only posts messages about his own personal 
> immediate needs indirectly says to others that the only person Isky 
> really cares about is himself. And that's less than excellent, to say 
> the least.  But I repeat: I don't necessarily think Isky intends to come 
> across that way.
> On a positive note, on seldom occasion I see Isky with his netbook 
> actually sitting outside the Turing classroom with everybody else.  If 
> he took the gaming computer home or donated it, and spent more time 
> communicating with everybody else in the common areas, that would be 
> more excellent.
> (This is my hopefully my final post on this matter.  To respect others, 
> based on the traffic this list generates, I now keep myself on a 
> personal quota for messages I post in a given 24-hour period.  I've damn 
> near reached it.)
> Patrick
> On 2/3/2011 5:33 AM, Jake wrote:
> > if a computer is set up at noisebridge, and is available to be used by
> > anyone at any time, unless someone else is already using it, it is a
> > de-facto "public computer".
> >
> > if Isky has not exercised "owners priority" over other people who are
> > using the computer when he shows up, the computer is being used in a
> > public way.
> >
> > It is my understanding that the computer is not password-protected against
> > use by the public, and Isky does not ask people to Step Aside any more
> > than Miloh does so on Quagga (near the spectrum monitor) so the only
> > issues I can identify are as follows:
> >
> > 1. some people apparently have personal differences with Isky
> > 2. some people may be chaffed by Isky being set up in Turing
> > 3. some people may wish they could spend as much time at Noisebridge.
> >
> > I think we should all ask ourselves if we could be spending our energy
> > more productively and interestingly than even talking about this.
> >
> > For example - the wheelchair robot needs a Kinect for a head, so it can
> > tell what it's about to run over.  Who will be its next programmer?
> >
> > -jake
> >
> > ---- someone wrote ----
> >
> >
> >       isky shares his computer with others, and seems to
> > me pretty freely.
> >
> >       maybe define "the issue": i'm guessing something
> > like "some of us are pissed off that you've been
> > keeping your personal computer in that spot for so
> > long." (is that right?)
> >       whatever the issue definition, thence a
> > discussion. i don't mind these long, boring email
> > storms because they seem part of being here and with
> > each other, one way to work things out.
> >
> >
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