[Noisebridge-discuss] personal computers at Noisebridge (was Re: Missing Green Bike /w Red Grips.)

Thu Feb 3 21:40:36 UTC 2011

Hi There,
I've to agree with Jim, especially with point of mixing different circles and 
awareness of the people who spend time together. I've been based in Turing 
classroom for nearly a half year and it was a great spot for both work and 
relax. I liked the people and dynamic of the place. If you wanted to work it was 
no problem and if there was a big class claiming whole place you just moved for 
hour or two somewhere else, done.

Sharing resources at Noisebridge is a pivotal point of this community and I've 
to say that Isky is doing a great job in that. Other thing which I like a lot 
are the crowds of cool people who he is bringing in to the place. Also the way 
how he approaches any "difficult situation" is socially very developed, at least 
in majority of the cases. Therefore I hope that things will be sorted so it will 
allow Isky to further contribute to the community. I'm very glad that the things 
were found.

Best of luck to all of you,

Sincerely,

Frantisek

PS I'll be announcing the start of my hacker tour around Europe and Japan within 
few days. It will be posted on my web pages which I'm now transferring to tiki 
wiki (I've some issues ...).

----- Original Message ----
From: jim <jim at systemateka.com>
To: rachel lyra hospodar <rachelyra at gmail.com>
Cc: Andy Isaacson <adi at hexapodia.org>; Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com>; 
Noisebridge <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
Sent: Thu, February 3, 2011 5:08:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] personal computers at Noisebridge (was Re: 
Missing Green Bike /w Red Grips.)

    seems to me there are little areas of the space that 
have their own ecologies. the turing classroom has its 
habituals. while i'm in different circles from isky's, 
sitting together puts each of us in awareness of the 
other's circles. this seems a natural dynamic, possibly 
to be encouraged, always to be hacked. 
    there's an additional element of non-rules-ness 
that's not been mentioned in this thread: claims. 
    the events section on the front page of the 
noisebridge wiki has one-time and repeating events 
listed. i believe a convention is established that such 
listings effectively claim resources. 
    for example, i expect that each tuesday and friday 
afternoon those of us who care can break out the 
nano-rack of server boxes, power its noisy ass up, and 
work on studying django and linux skills, and 
furthermore, if some other persons or groups want us 
to shut up or go away or want to use the stuff we're 
using, whatever the contention, because we've posted 
the event, we win and can continue what we're doing. 
    of course, before and after the times posted, we 
have no claims and must try to accommodate any others 
who want us to shut up or go away or use the stuff we 
are using, probably first come first serve in that case. 
    and not a bad idea that we may be forced out of our 
hidey hole to mix with "them out there" in other hidey 
holes. 

On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 07:32 -0800, rachel lyra hospodar wrote:
> FWIW I was trained as a 'conflict mediator' ages and ages ago, and I
> would be happy to sit down with dissenting parties to work on
> problem-solving. 
> 
> I am not interested in discussing how noisebridgey isky is or if he's
> excellent enough. I don't presume to judge his relative worth. I also
> am not going to demand that a student surrender ownership of a machine
> he already shares to a community of people who already have access to
> it.
> 
> There are so many computers laying around at NB it boggles my mind
> that one more could be considered over the line. It would be cool if
> the monitor and keyboard were commonly usable; I would totally plug my
> netbook into them every once in a while. Maybe there's a better place
> to keep the whole setup than in the classroom?  There is a game
> computer on the west wall, maybe this could be turned into a general
> station and then when isky or someone wants to use his machine they
> can fire it up. This would free up that classroom for the crowds of
> students clamoring for separated learning space, and give us a way to
> lovingly throw spitballs at isky when he plays video games instead of
> hacking the planet.
> 
> mediumreality.com
> 
> On Feb 2, 2011 6:30 PM, "Andy Isaacson" <adi at hexapodia.org> wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 02, 2011 at 05:44:44PM -0800, Rachel McConnell wrote:
> >> If you have a problem with someone's behavior, talk to them.
> > 
> > I have tried to talk to Isky about this issue. He's been unwilling
> to
> > communicate about it. I have heard from at least two other community
> > members who've also tried to discuss it with him and gotten blown
> off.
> > 
> > I'd appreciate it if someone who has a good rapport with Isky could
> help
> > mediate better communication. Rachel or Rachel?
> > 
> > My position is, I don't think that there should be personal desktop
> > systems set up long-term at noisebridge. It causes a bunch of
> problems:
> > 
> > 1. it doesn't scale. We don't have room for everyone's systems.
> > 2. it encourages the "owners" of the systems to assert property
> rights
> > to specific areas of the space.
> > 3. it's wasteful of power. ($7-$40 a month per PC, if I math right.)
> > 4. it encourages the "owners" to overuse the Noisebridge space,
> > sometimes to the exclusion of other community members.
> > 5. the "owner" is likely to feel personally affronted if their
> system is
> > used to construct a giant robot.
> > 
> > I have no problem with temporary (8 hours, 48 hours) use of the
> space in
> > just about any innovative way -- hackathons, installfests, robot
> > construction that temporarily takes over the entire front room --
> but
> > that's not what is happening here. As far as I know, there's been an
> > "Isky's computer" in one of the classrooms continuously, for the
> last
> > several months.
> > 
> > -andy
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